How do democrats explain this

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ten out of ten most financially stable states are firmly republican.

    Nine out of ten states that are in the worst financial shape are firmly run by democrats.

    Care to explain or comment why this is true?
     
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    Liberals destroy whatever they touch. Detroit and Puerto Rico are classic examples of unchecked liberal governance.
     
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    Oh, they're not going to explain that. They're barely even going to acknowledge this thread.

    If any respond, it will be to challenge what your definition of 'stable' is, and that will be their version of objecting. Then they'll run away.
     
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    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    First off you're going to need to provide a definition of "financially stable" and "worst financial shape". What does that mean? Second, how about some evidence? Third, answer this question. Why does it matter if a state, based on your definitions, is financially stable?

    If you can do those things maybe I can try to answer your question.
     
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    Sure you will.

    :lol:

    Tell you what.

    As a challenge, I'd like you to provide us examples of what YOU think are the 10 best and worst States using your definition of 'stable financial shape'.

    Meanwhile, I'll get logical to offer his. We can compare!

    :lol:

    See you in another thread, would be my guess.
     
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    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    LOL ok. So OP makes a claim with no evidence and no clear meaning and I am supposed to provide evidence. You don't get how this works do you.

    You make a claim, you back it up.
     
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    I didn't make the claim. I'm asking you to provide YOUR idea of the 10 best and worst States in terms of financial stability.

    And then I offered to assist you in getting logical to cite his source.

    Are you willing to answer my question, or are we going to simply go 'round and 'round without you doing so?
     
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    Because to the democrat party-economics is as fluid as gender or race.

    If Rachael Dolenzol was an economic theory...
     
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    T_K_Richards Well-Known Member

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    OK then how would you define financial stability?
     
  10. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lets put it simple for the libs. Is the state hopelessly in debt, or are the in the black. Hopelessly in debt bring at least two to mind, Calif and Ill.
     
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    OK, I was going along with you until you asked why it matters if a state is financially stable. :confuse:
    That may be a clue....
     
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    wow
     
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    Surprised they have brought out the "takers and givers" argument yet? The part where the red states take more than they provide to the feds, totally ignoring that the majority of red state well-fare goes to blue cities.
     
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    It matters if a state is financially stable because if the state goes belly up, you know they're going to come begging to Washington for a bailout. And Texas should not pay for liberal foolishness in a California.
     
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    I'm just trying to understand this question before I answer it. Seems like a bunch of nonsense and hyperbole and you haven't contributed yet either.
     
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    So financial stability is their ability to pay the bills then? CA certainly has no problem with continued high levels of economic growth and the ability to tax their businesses and population as needed.
     
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    California is in the black and has been in the top 3-5 states for economic growth, so that argument is out the window.

    Illinois is currently seeing pretty flat growth and are in the middle of a budget crisis, but so are other states: Alaska, Oklahoma, Connecticut for example.
     
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    That's what I thought this whole thread is based on a bunch of silly right-wing fake reality
     
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    They've bordered on bankruptcy in the past and they're not out of the woods yet. Ditto New York, Illinois, and Connecticut ... states where liberals have given public unions unrealistic and unfunded retirement packages.

    If those states go bankrupt, they better not expect the good people of Tennessee and Utah to bail them out.
     
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    There are plenty of R led states that have potential fiscal trouble. Oklahoma, Alaska, Alabama, Louisianna, Texas, West Virginia, Kansas, and more. https://www.multistate.us/blog/thirty-one-states-face-revenue-shortfalls-for-the-2017-fiscal-year
     
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    Can I get a list of those countries?
     
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    There is no "interpretation" on "financial stability". Stable means it is not tottering. Financial stability is a midpoint between financial instability or financial independence.

    Financial instability is when the state is unable to meet its obligations without external help - especially in crisis situations such as wildfire, earthquake or floods, or any external economic pressure. Courtesy of Economic Policy Journal we now know that the majority of American states are currently insolvent, and that the US Treasury has been conducting a shadow bailout of at least 32 US states. Over 60% of Americans receiving state unemployment benefits are getting these directly from the US government, as 32 states have now borrowed $37.8 billion from Uncle Sam to fund unemployment insurance. The states in most dire condition, are, not unexpectedly, the unholy trifecta of California ($6.9 billion borrowed), Michigan ($3.9 billion), and New York ($3.2 billion). With this form of shadow bailout occurring, one can only wonder how many other shadow programs are currently in operation to fund states under the table with federal money.The full list of America's 32 insolvent states is below, sorted in order of bankruptedness.
    See:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/32...orrowed-treasury-fund-unemployment-ca-mi-ny-w

    Financial independence means that if there was a world-wide economic crash, the state would have sufficient independently generated income to meet all obligations for an indefinite period. We know that doesn't exist.

    So there you are, on a silver platter.
     
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    Generally, liberal states are more irresponsible with money. But if there was a red state that went bankrupt, I would oppose a bailout from Washington. Other states shouldn't have to pay for their bad choices.
     
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    That link you posted is complete BS. There are 0 cases where a state has filed for bankruptcy.

    Thanks for the definition though. There are states facing a budget deficit on both sides of the political spectrum. CA is actually not one of them.

    Here is a list: https://www.multistate.us/blog/thirty-one-states-face-revenue-shortfalls-for-the-2017-fiscal-year
     
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    Thanks for sharing your fact-free and baseless opinion. Really valuable.... /S
     
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