How do Generals get to be Generals?

You mean the Secret Service might have to put slightly more thought into travel plans for the President?

America will never survive!

 

What other secret service agents are you claiming will cover what the National Guard has for 45 years?

 

They can always change their routes.

 

That doesn't answer my question.
I take it you never worked in manpower studies in the NGB. Do you know where those studies go directly to?

 

It does answer your question. When you have less manpower, you vary your activity.

 

You also are more vulnerable. If only the SS felt as easy as you do about this. You should call em up and say "Hey guys, just vary your activity!"

That makes up for the dozens of command stations you lose and military presence requested by every President in 45 years. Better to pull more SS desk jockies out from their spreadsheets to help control the DMV area.

 

You are only more vulnerable if you try to do the exact same thing with less.

 

That's true in many senses. Not in the sense that you don't have enough trained personnel to handle populations of the DMV size. I'm sure they need mobilized non-clinicals. You should volunteer since the SS doesn't have enough power

 

But can it defeat a 12 or a 24 missile salvo ? Where all of the incoming missiles would hit their target at the same time ?


How many missiles (Rim-66 or Rim-67 Standard ) can the Mk-41 VLS launch in one minute ?

This has been asked before on the PF and other forums and blogs. Nobody can produce a credable source. Maybe it's classified ?

From watching videos it seems a Mk-41 VLS launches around 5 or 6 missiles in one minute.

Videos of the USS Porter and USS Ross launching 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles. -> https://news.usni.org/2017/04/06/br...n-airfield-retaliation-strike-chemical-attack

Worth reading.

 

How far away do they detect the missiles? If there is a carrier in the battle group then they probably have an E-2 in the air, which means well away.

Then they can attrite the number of incoming missiles down with multiple AEGIS salvos, then they still have RAM and CIWS on every ship.

 

Good question.

I think this question was asked a year or two ago on another thread.

The AEGIS is just a fire control system linked to the Mk-41 VLS.

The Mk-41 can't launch a multi missile salvo, it launches one missile at a time.

A Carrier Strike Group (CSG) is better off on defending itself or a Carrier Battle Group (CBG) that has twice the number of cruisers and destroyers escorts than a CSG than a AEGIS destroyer that is working independently with no eyes in the sky (E-2 Hawkeye)

At what distance would the AEGIS destroyer radars detect a supersonic mach 2. anti ship missile skimming 25 feet above the sea surface ?


Radars can't detect over the horizon. Line of sight.

25 miles away is when the incoming missile would be detected.

If my math is right, the ship has one minute to react before being hit.

 

Didn't the Army just create a new MOS for fire control?

 

Carter did the same exact thing.

So did Reagan towards the end of his term too when he saw how out of control his own deficits were.

This is nothing new.

 

So @Dropship are you following all this ?!

 

Sounds like an excuse to me. Can you link the instances of Carter and Reagan so I can compare? I am unaware of those.

 

One minute is an eternity if the DGM or DDE is at battle stations already.

If not at battle stations then they are all dead.

 

Was it before you were born?

I specifically remember the headlines in the newspapers for both of them.

Carter and BH Obama both ran on pacifist platforms.

 

I was born in in the late 80s so I'm a youngin

 

Yup, anti ship missile technology was the new game during the Falklands War between the UK and Argentina.

If submarines did not already make surface ship obsolete, anti ship missiles off aircraft have certainly now.

 

Yup indeed. At any rate, Reagan called it a "peace dividend" in his typical bullsh!t mannerism.

So if you google "Reagan peace dividend" I'm sure someone has written about and posted to the internet on it.

Carter just called it a RIF -- reduction in force. That's what it has always been called.

So if you google "president carter military rif" you should be able to find it.

BH Obama's rif was simply after Iraq/Afghanistan.

Most of those vet's are back in the world now looking for jobs and coping with PTSD -- which is the new name for WW2 "battle fatigue" or WW1 "shell shock".

 

Carter was a freakin moron. The last thing he should have ever had control over, was the military. Same with Obama. Cutting the military while we're in 2.5 wars.

I'll look into the Reagan stuff.

 

All these boats and ships are going to run out of missiles eventually, so after the big missile battle of New Jutland, it will be back to H/E-Armor-Piercing again.

 

Morons (from a military perspective):

- Trump (so far)

- BHO

- Dubya

- Clinton

- GHW Bush

- Carter

- Ford

- Nixon

- LBJ

- JFK (almost got us all nuked)

It is a very long list obviously.

 

Trump has only had 4 months to command my military. He has been anything but "bad" in that sense. He's lobbying for raises and Mad Dog has been fantastic. Obama changed the Rules of Engagement while we were deployed, to the "wait to get shot" rule (moronic).

Obama is on a whole different level than Trump as a commander in chief. Obama is one of our nation's worst.

 

Carter at first approved a 5 year 600 ship Navy plan, but backed off in from it in 1979, due to cost overruns; the cuts were for a new Nimitz class and a couple of giant Trident subs, mainly. His budget ended up at $28 billion versus $49 billion for the original plan. There was a lot of debate on the future of carriers going on at the time, because of the advances in missile tech and geo-spatial communications, i.e. the stuff Google Earth is now using, which threatened to make them sitting ducks for medium and long range missiles.

Reagan merely picked it up, but wanted to gold plate three obsolete old battleships which the Navy didn't want, they wanted a new super-carrier and a dozen or so giant subs, and the Star Wars programs, both expensive and the latter entirely speculative with no certain timeline for any successes at the time. Don't know that Reagan increased 'readiness' all that much, he was busy dumping as many experienced lifers as he could; they called it the 'Fat Boys Out' program, but they replaced those 'fat boys' with a lot of kids with little or no experience, and at the time most of the officer corps were pretty much sure about 60% of the troops in the 'new improved volunteer Army' would head for the fences if a war broke out, the military at that point having been turned into a job corp type program.

This was followed up by Bush's term, wherein Dick Cheney took a hatchet to everything, and this 'peace dividend' is what Bill Clinton got credit for, even though he blew it on pork and subsidies for his Red Chinese buddies.

We've all lived happily ever after since.