How do you think Homeopaths think Homeopathy works?

How do you think Homeopaths think Homeopathy works?

 

Homeopathy is a natural system of medicine that uses highly diluted doses of substances to stimulate the body's own healing mechanism to promote health.

The use of homeopathic medicines – popularly known as remedies – is based on the discovery that natural substances are capable of curing the same symptoms that they can cause. By studying the symptoms that develop when a healthy person tests or “proves” a remedy, homeopaths can determine which symptoms the remedy is capable of curing. This is called the Law of Similars or “like cures like.”

A simple example of this principle can be seen with the common onion. Slicing an onion can cause symptoms of burning and watery eyes, as well as sneezing and a runny nose. Many hayfever sufferers with symptoms of burning, watery eyes, sneezing, and runny nose have found dramatic relief after taking homeopathic Allium cepa (the remedy made from red onion). Thus the substance that can cause symptoms can, as a remedy, also cure them.

 

How do they? By lying, making things up, ignorance, wishful thinking...............

 

I guess I meant to say how do people think they think it physically works.

 

If you have links to back any of that up, fine, but if not, please stop trolling my thread.

 

It's not trolling. It's a well known fact that it is complete crap.

 

Panzerkampfwagen, if you're not going to contribute anything constructive, please don't contribute anything at all. Think of this as a thread for mature people.

 

Sorry, but disagreeing with you is not trolling and if you don't demand links from those who agree with you then why should I?

Easy to see which one of us is trolling, isn't it?

Homeopathy is garbage. No scientific study has shown that it works any better than any other placebo.

 

Panzer, you can't just come into a thread and say something is crap and expect that to be an argument.

If you evidence to prove what you are saying, then post it, or find another thread.

 

But those agreeing don't have to?

It's well known that homeopathy doesn't work. If they think it works THEY should provide evidence AGAINST all the known scientific evidence to show that it does. Until then they are wrong and it IS that simple.

 

Studies have shown that placebos provide benefits for many people.

Therefore, seeing as placebos do indeed work, according to your reasoning Homeopathy can not be garbage. " ... works any better than any other placebo."

"New research shows placebos can also benefit patients who do not have faith in them"

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind

"Patients told they were getting a placebo still reported improvements at a much higher rate than patients who were not treated."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=placebos-work-even-when-you-know-10-12-23

If Homeopathy works as a placebo, it can not be labeled as garbage.

 

"A research study at the Wageningen University in Holland suggests that homeopathy may be an alternative to antibiotics in neonatal diarrhoea of piglets. This is a randomised, observer blind and placebo-controlled trial done on piglets, not prone to placebo effect. It is another remarkable example of a study showing that homeopathy works and that there is scientific verification for it."

http://homeopathyresource.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/new-study-at-dutch-university-homeopathy-works-for-e-coli-diarrhoea/

"RESULTS: Piglets of the homeopathic treated group had significantly less E. coli diarrhoea than piglets in the placebo group (P<.0001). Especially piglets from first parity sows gave a good response to treatment with Coli 30K. The diarrhoea seemed to be less severe in the homeopathically treated litters, there was less transmission and duration appeared shorter."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20129177 US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

 

"By the end of 2009, 142 randomised control trials (the gold standard in medical research) comparing homeopathy with placebo or conventional treatment had been published in peer-reviewed journals – 74 were able to draw firm conclusions: 63 were positive for homeopathy and 11 were negative. Five major systematic reviews have also been carried out to analyse the balance of evidence from RCTs of homeopathy – four were positive (Kleijnen, J, et al; Linde, K, et al; Linde, K, et al; Cucherat, M, et al) and one was negative (Shang, A et al). It's usual to get mixed results when you look at a wide range of research results on one subject, and if these results were from trials measuring the efficacy of "normal" conventional drugs, ratios of 63:11 and 4:1 in favour of a treatment working would be considered pretty persuasive."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/15/homeopathy-works-scientific-evidence

 

Nobody died...or even got a sugar rush.

" Homeopathy sceptics have staged a mass "overdose" of homeopathic remedies, in a bid to prove they have no effect.
Protesters ate whole bottles of tablets at branches of Boots in places such as Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, London, Leicester, Edinburgh and Birmingham.
They have asked the pharmacy chain to stop selling the remedies, which they call "scientifically absurd".
The Society of Homeopaths called it a "stunt". Boots said it followed industry guidelines on homeopathy.
From 2005 to 2008 the NHS spent almost £12m on homeopathic treatments, according to a 2009 Freedom Of Information request by Channel 4 News... "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8489019.stm

 

If we can get back on track,

How do you think Homeopaths think Homeopathy works?

I'm looking for the mechanism of how they think it works, not the idea of how it works (i.e. the "like cures like" explanation).


And please refrain from any immature remarks. I'd like a serious discussion, please.

 

Well, scientists say that homeopathy works by the placebo effect. Studies have shown that the effectiveness of homeopathy is about the same as the placebo effect. The only good thing I have to say about homeopathy is that the only harm it can do is keep people from getting sound medical advice. Distilled water is harmless.

 

Of course that means its garbage. Homeopathic cures cost a lot more than sugar pills. A doctor would be better off prescribing sugar pills than homeopathy.

 

Then why don't you look it up in homeopath sites. I don't give a crap about what homeopaths think. I just know that it is next to impossible for a 30C or higher homeopathic solution to have any active ingredient in it other than distilled water. Why would I read a bunch of crap about it? It's based on the meanderings of a person ignorant of molecular theory.

 

Like anything else, mostly it's called trial and error.
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The difference between treatment 150 years ago and today is back then most remedies/cures were made from plant/animal extracts, and chemicals either in raw, liquefied, or died forms, usually visually/tasting/smelling unappealing to the average patient.
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Today modern doctors make use of pills, syrups, serums, made from plant/animal extracts, and chemicals to treat the symptoms, mostly unconcerned with any sort of positive cure. It's called job security.

 

The topic is about what do Homeopaths think how Homeopathy works.

Maybe the ignorance is yours. Who says it works on a molecular level?

 

OK, then explain to me how you think homeopaths think it works.

Our bodies work on the molecular level. That is exactly my point. If homeopathy doesn't work on the molecular level, it cannot work. It works on the psychosomatic level--in other words, the placebo effect.

 

I would like you to answer my question first:

"Who says it works on a molecular level?"

You seem to contradict yourself. You seem to be saying our bodies work both on the molecular and psychosomatic level.

 

Now that I understand what homeopathy means, I would agree with you: placebo effect.

 

Homeopaths believe it will trigger the body to heal itself.

While skeptics believe this is how it works:
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/

 

And how do they think it does that? What mechanism?