How Does a Straight White Male Democrat Run for President? Very carefully.

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    We still have what you reference in your second sentence because of the situation you reference in your first sentence.

    I can see why you would regard AA as unconstitutional. And I might even agree, if we didn't still see unconstitutional discrimination of opportunity. I hope you cannot deny that bigotry, racism and misogyny continue to exist in America. If that is so, then why is it so difficult to believe that discrimination of opportunity still exists?
     
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    Racism, generally is the belief that 1 race is superior over other races.

    In reality, there's only 1 race, the HUMAN race.
    If folks would live by that, then we would not have to make skin color an issue. I don't see what color 1 has for skin has anything to do with them as a person.
     
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    We all earn 'opportunity' the same way, and that is certainly true since the mid-1960's -- with ability, education, intelligence, energy, and a constant willingness to improve ourselves. Fortune gives some people great wealth... birth into the right families gives some people easy passage in society and accessibility to better positions. That has been true since the beginning of human history, but reliance on "entitlement" or an attitude of "it's my turn" rarely results in anything that is truly worthwhile.

    So, we do have that "loooooog" way to go before we create Utopia, but we can always strive on with the best tools mankind has -- ability, education, intelligence, energy, and a constant willingness to improve ourselves.
     
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    It is unfortunate, in today's world, we still need AA to give the minority groups a chance a competing.
    Although, it's likely not competing, but giving them the lane to catch up after hundreds of years of not being given a chance in the 1st place.
    It's been what, 50 or so years since the civil rights acts? But being held down for decade after decade, the lane to equality takes quite a while.
     
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    Actually, some very prominent geneticists have published theories in the recent past that there are FIVE distinct races! And, here's a shocker -- the latest consensus is that the most advanced human race is not the White (Caucasian) race -- no! It is the East-Asian (Oriental) race! Take some time and explore this topic in some depth and you may be as surprised as I was.... :icon_jawdrop:

    Oh, hell, I guess I should add this disclosure -- I, personally, am not East-Asian....
     
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    I generally refer to them as ethnicities.

    If we all did evolve from the same line of Great Apes, or if we were all created from the same 2 people, how can there be more than 1 race? Especially, if from the same 2 people?
     
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    Facts are facts. He said what he said. Because a bunch of idiots only get a snipped quote, they only hear what they want to hear instead of reality. And there were news people there. There were simple locals watching. There were people that are not bad just because it’s stupid to get all crazy over a dumb ass statue.

    There were racists there for sure. But There were perfectly normal people there too. To claim otherwise is again falling into the ignorance trap. You can either choose to be insane regarding anything Trump and only get your opinion force fed to you through your biased media source of choice. Or just look at reality and watch unedited clips instead and make informed decisions.
     
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    Unfortunately, I think this is where we part ways. I do not agree that, since the mid 60s, there has been equal access to opportunity.
     
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    I don't think anyone is denying that there were good folks on both sides. But the statement was made at an inopportune time, and it showed immense insensitivity. It was perceived as his inability to denounce extremism in the US. It made things worse, not better.
     
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    Pathetic that you think laws made everything equal, made sexism and racism disappear, and believe there was no discrimination against women and minorities after laws were passed.
    That is a total lack of knowledge of history.


    Did you know there's a law against murder and people still commit murder?? Did you know that?????.



    According to you minorities and women had to EARN the right to vote and hold jobs white men had.....that's completely wrong.

    They had that right when they were born but were discriminated against by those in power, white males.

    And LAWS did NOT end it....
     
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    FoxHastings said:
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    White male dominance lasted 200 years because they held the purse strings and were supported by the sexist myth that white men were smarter. :)






    WTF? Bet you don't see the inherent sexism in that silly statement despite a friend of yours claiming sexism doesn't exist.

    You didn't refute ONE word of the post of mine you quoted.
     
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    Sorry that you are too blind to see the connection.
     
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    Why were White people the only ones given the opportunity to receive a good education? Why wasn't education as important in other parts of the world as they were in Western Europe? Why weren't other races and cultures more curious as to how the world works? Why were there no basic inventions in many areas of the world, like the wheel?

    There are now many places in once backward countries where children of all colors are learning about the world, learning English, reading books, some traveling. This is all a good thing and a joy to see. The problem has always been culture, not race.

    But racist pricks on the left are attacking Whites for the progress they've made through the centuries and trying to pit one color against another, as we see on this thread and elsewhere. That demonstrates more than anything I can say as to their own deep-rooted racism and hatreds. What disgusting little people they are.
     
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    How long have women been able to run for President? Maybe there isn’t been any good candidates yet? Hillary? If that was your best, holy ****!! And looking at this round you’re no better off. The women running are legitimately crazy. Check that. The leading female Dem candidates are crazy. There are less prominent women that would be far more suited, moderates who could actually appeal to those not at the extremes. Dems are jist piahing loony leftist progressives right now and sorry, they’re nuts.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
    Another good , true post.

    Those who think passing laws eliminated sexism and racism are ONLY those who have no knowledge of true history, choose to ignore it, or haven't had to experience it and don't give a damn about those who did...
     
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    Thanks.

    I will say, for those white folks who have experienced the downside of AA, it must suck. Badly. I'm happy to admit if my business was frozen out of a bidding opportunity, I'd be pissed. But in the context of history, I hope I would understand why it happened.
     
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    The discussion, thus far, has been about race in America, so to discuss the cultures of other countries and how they have oppressed people really doesn't apply. But it certainly does in America. No one is attacking Whites for progresses made. Why would anyone do that? This discussion has revolved around the culture in America that suppressed opportunity for one group - which only leads to advancement of another group. I don't see that as pitting one group against another - I see the need (that existed and continues to exist in lesser ways today) for the advantaged group to give a leg up the the disadvantaged. Are you against that?
     
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    You would be right -- for people who have been victims of REVERSE DISCRIMINATION (also known as, "Affirmative Action"). When preference is given to anyone on the basis of race or gender, then equal access to oppportunity is definitely DENIED... and worst of all, it is done in this country LEGALLY, as I have already said.
     
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    What a rant.... In how many countries throughout the entire world were women able to aspire to national power during all of human history? The attainment of justice for women's ability to vote in most of the world has now been achieved, and in the United States, as I already said, this occurred in 1920, NINETY-NINE YEARS AGO. So are women supposed to be bitching that they don't have the right to vote today?! If you really believe that, you're being completely irrational. And you're right, since 1920, this is a RIGHT -- women don't have to EARN the right to vote... definitely a very good thing for all of civilization! (Pardon me for stating the obvious....)

    NOW, as far as running corporations or being elected to public office goes -- THAT is a totally different arena altogether. Every American adult citizen has the right to vote now, but that does not (NOT) entitle anyone of any race, gender (or combinations thereof) to be the President of the United States, or a Senator, or a be a Representative, or, in the world of private business, a corporate officer, or ANY other job....

    For public office, you have to EARN voters' confidence, and get them to vote for you. In business, you EARN your way into those private corporation positions through merit, value, worth, and your ability to produce results based on corporate expectations... period! A woman can do this, and often has. A man can do this, and often has. People of all races can do this, and often have. On and on. What is it about this that you and those in your faction don't "get"...?!

    Personal note: Before I retired, I was a lower-level manager at a Fortune 50 international corporation. The sector I was in specialized in working with agencies and departments of the U. S. Federal Government. I had members of all races and genders on my team, and I was proud of every one of them. And I tell you in truth that the women on the team were every bit as good as the men (White, Black, and Oriental) in all respects. Prejudice, for or against anyone, for any reason, has NO place in the 21st-century workplace, and it had no place in mine! Now, kick my teeth down my throat, or accuse me of lying. The last thing I did during my last afternoon on my last day at work before I retired was to process bonuses for two of the women who worked for me, which earned them several thousand dollars. I only wish it had been more....
     
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    Yes, as it A: Perpetuates racism against the "advantaged group" and thus B: Weakens the entire State. These policies ruin the nation, the discussion ruins the coexistence of its people. We remain divided on a fable. In reality, we must work to secure the advancement of All Peoples in the country.
     
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    Exactly.

    Meantime, the (actual) progressives among us remain ever hopeful that one day we might evolve beyond those antiquated evils.
     
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    Progressives hate equality like poison.
     
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    Could not possibly agree more. But it's not racism against whites - it's old school, KKK racism which places the white man in the driver's seat - deciding how things will be for POC. Deciding that brown people are helpless and hopeless, and must be 'managed' by their white overlords. Told they're incapable of self-determination, and told what to think.

    The whole 'white man is evil' thing is a pathetic blind, used to hide their real agenda - from the world and from themselves. Consider that only a small percentage of Progs are self-aware enough to recognise their motives. Most have no idea. They sincerely believe that they're 'doing good'. Just as the KKK did.
     
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    I am not in the habit of 'proving' claims I have not made. You should probably re read what I wrote until you understand it, though given the fact free ideology of the counter claim you made I'm not convinced it will help.

    BTW, if you want to see Republican affirmative action at work look at their Congressional delegation. The Democrats look like America, the Republicans look like a 1950s country club.
     
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    That has nothing to do with who they represent. By the way Lyndon Baines Johnson's Great society programs have done more damage to African American families than the Klan ever managed. Your claim was that Republican only represented white males. I asked for proof you give me a color coded answer that has nothing to do with who they represent.
     

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