How does the MWI of Quantum Mechanics affect your views on abortion?

Yes, there is a stigma attached to abortion, mainly because of the number of loud anti-choicers who use language like "baby killers" "murder" "sluts", well you get the drift. Suppose abortion were just another medical procedure like a tonsillectomy?

I won't say anything about the quality of your friends, but you have proved a point. Criminalizing pot is futile because there is no consensus in the population that it should be criminal.

Of course society can make laws, but.....but they cannot always enforce them. Examples are drugs, alcohol prohibition, abortion. There WILL be abortion, there will safe abortions OR there will be unsafe abortions.

 

Pot is still illegal. So why should I field an argument that says such laws can not exist? That the law doesn't stop people and that people do not support it has not mattered for decades. That buying pot on the black market rather than from a legal company is unsafe has not mattered. Why should these arguments work for abortion and nothing else?

Also, I think you are wrong about the source of the stigma attached to abortion. The stigma causes people to hurl hateful slurs at people they think are doing something terrible. You've mixed up cause and effect. I don't support those people any more than I support abortion.

I'm just saying, you shouldn't kill the fetus. I wouldn't want a fetus killer in prison any more than I want a pot smoker in prison. But the former shows a far greater lapse in judgement, in my opinion. And something should be done other than insisting it was a-ok to kill the fetus.

It's not ok. Decriminalization may be the only logical legal option, but if that stigma ever disappears, I think we will have seriously lost our way as a just society. And that, I fear, is the goal of many modern pro choice arguments (since it is legal afterall), to erase the stigma. I oppose that as the absolute limit of my ability to compromse.

 

LOL!!!

BOY!!!

Are YOU really putting your foot in it!! LOL!!!

You can spin this anyway you want to but YOU are the member who actually posted a Topic called....

HOW DOES MWI OF QUANTUM MECHANICS EFFECT YOUR VIEWS ON ABORTION?

YOU....wrote this.

YOU...created this topic.

YOU...are the one who for reasons unknown has included Many Worlds Theory into a discussion about ABORTION!!! LOL!!!

The ONLY question I have kept asking you is WHY???

And YOU....for whatever reason I have no idea....have replied to me with such posts as...."No where did I say that MWI has anything to do with abortion."....end quote Maytag.

I never said you stated that it does.

I am only asking you....WHY.....would you even bring Many Worlds Theory up in a Abortion Debate....and as I asked you WHAT DOES MANY WORLDS THEORY HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION....you reply with...."No where did I say that MWI has anything to do with abortion."....end quote Maytag.


Well then.....WHY THE HELL DID YOU CREATE A TOPIC CALLED...."HOW DOES MWI OF QUANTUM MECHANICS EFFECT YOUR VIEWS ON ABORTION?"...end quote Maytag.

I don't think I am asking you an unreasonable question or questions.

I would ask similar questions to a person who created a Topic called....."Does a persons dislike of the color BLUE effect their views on Abortion?"

It is basically the same thing!!!

Or it's like saying..."If your Father's name was David and your Mother's name was Jill would this effect your views upon Abortion?"

Oh....and just to let you know....the whole concept of Many World's or the much more comprehensive and adherent to Quantum Mechanic's MULTIVERSAL THEORY is at least in the first one which is just a PART of Multiversal Theory.....that FOR EVERY POSSIBLE CHOICE....there must exist a Universal Reality where every CHOICE HAS BEEN MADE.

As well as for every possible action and reaction....there must exist an Alternate Divergent Universal Reality where every possible action and reaction....cause and effect....EXISTS!!

At one time Many World's Theory and Multiversal Theory was just that....THEORY.

But then came the day that D-Wave....a U.S. Military Contractor that is based in Canada and the U.S.....went and BUILT A WORKING QUANTUM PROCESSOR!!!

Google has purchased a Quantum Computer from D-Wave as D-Wave sells Quantum Computer's to those Private Companies that pass the requirements set down by the NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, HOMELAND SECURITY and I am sure a few more U.S. Government and Military Agencies.....and they are VERY EXPENSIVE.

In May 2013 it was announced that a collaboration between NASA, Google and the Universities Space Research Association (USRA) launched a Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab based on the D-Wave Two 512-qubit quantum computer that would be used for research into machine learning, among other fields of study.

The U.S. Military already has working 1000 Quibit Quantum Computers and it is a very poorly kept secret that several U.S. Military Black Program Contractors including Lockheed and D-Wave are or already have developed a 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computer which one of the uses for a 10,000 Quibit Quantum System will be for a Global Over the Horizon Satellite Based Targeting System for the U.S. Military and especially U.S. Navy's FREE ELECTRON LASER (FEL)....as the new Ford Class Carriers of which the CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford.....CVN-79 J.F.K.....and CVN-80 Enterprise will have installed FREE ELECTRON LASERS in the over 50 Megawatt Class as the Ford Class Carriers will use two A1B Nuclear Reactors each capable of providing over 300 Megawatts in Electrical Power thus a single Ford Class Carrier will have over 600 Megawatts of Electrical Power at it's disposal.

This massive amount of power will be used ofr not only powering the Ford Class Carriers propulsion and standard internal workings but as well instead of a Steam Catapult the Ford Class will employ Mag-Lev Aircraft Catapults.

As well the Free Electron Laser will be capable with the help of 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computer's of firing up to a 100 Megawatt FEL Beam which using a specialized Satellite Based Laser Insect Like Compound Eye Prism Optical Targeting System as due to the close to Solar Core Free Electron Laser Temps. standard Mirror Reflective Laser Optics will not work as the Beam will melt the Mirror thus a Compound Prism Eyed System aboard a Worldwide Satellite Targeting System will be capable along with the 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computers of VAPORIZING ANY TARGET, ANYWHERE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!!

Unlike standard Laser's the FEL or Free Electron Laser can have it's Frequency Adjusted thus atmospheric Conditions are no longer an issue.

Discover Magazine in an article stated that a Ford Class Carrier with two A1B Nuclear Reactors was capable of supplying enough power to an FEL to allow a 1 cm FEL Beam TO VAPORIZE A HOLE THROUGH 1000 FEET OF SOLID STEEL!!!

The article went on to say that if the proper Computational Power is available...which it now is.....the Ford Class Carriers along with all Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers which will also be outfitted with FEL's....along with the U.S. Navy's new Radar Systems will be able to detect, locate and determine 100's of incomming .50 Caliber Rounds that are say....shot from an Iranian Fast Attack Boat....and VAPORIZE EACH INCOMMING ROUND MIDAIR WELL BEFORE THE .50 CALIBER ROUNDS COME CLOSE TO HITTING ANY U.S. MILITARY TARGET OR SHIP OR BOAT OR EVEN LAND TARGET because as this will be a WORLDWIDE SATELLITE TARGETTING BASED SYSTEM.....and because a 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computer will be doing the calculations and a 10,000 Quibit Quantum System is powerful enough to do all the calculations for AN ENTIRE U.S. CARRIER BATTLE GROUP ALONG WITH ALL AIRCRAFT....ALL GUN'S AND ALL MISSILES....AND STILL HAVE PLENTY MORE COMPUTATIONAL ABILITY TO SPARE.....as it is said one 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computer could RUN THE ENTIRE U.S. NAVY....but for obvious reasons more than one will exist....but this incredible ability to run the calculations exists because A MULTIVERSE EXISTS!!

A Quantum Computer works in conjunction with every single and infinite in number Alternate Version of itself that is working in another Alternate Divergent Universal Reality which are also INFINITE IN NUMBER but all part of A SINGLE BASELINE UNIVERSAL REALITY where Divergent Branches are being created all the time for every possible action and reaction.

Many World Theory is basically this....as every possible version of our Universal Reality not only exists in Infinite Numbers but as well MUST EXIST!!

This is known as a BASELINE REALITY UNIVERSAL GROUPING....and in this GROUPING there exists an INFINITE NUMBER OF UNIVERSAL REALITIES....all DIVERGENT from a SINGLE BASELINE REALITY....thus all these Infinite in Number Universal Realities all have the exact same NATURAL PHYSICAL LAWS.

But that is MANY WORLDS THEORY which was found to be much too limited to account for QUANTUM MECHANICS thus models were designed and a MULTIVERSAL MODEL where not only did the Many Worlds Model exist....that Model being Infinite Universal Realities all having the same Natural Physical Laws....

......but in MULTIVERSAL THEORY......there is not just one single Baseline Universal Reality with all Divergent Universal States having the same Natural Physical Laws as well.....as in MULTIVERSAL THEORY.....there is also INFINITE IN NUMBER.....ALTERNATE BASELINE UNIVERSAL GROUPINGS.....as in these Groupings there are also Infinite Universal Divergent States but each Baseline Universal Reality Grouping has IT'S OWN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM OUR OWN NATURAL PHYSICAL LAWS!!


Thus we have Many Worlds Theory which our Universe is but one of an Infinite Number of Universal Realities but all having the same Natural Physical Laws.

Then we have INFINITE IN NUMBER.....ALTERNATE MANY WORLDS REALITIES.....each Baseline Reality having completely different Natural Physical Laws than our own Baseline Grouping....but each Alternate Baseline Universal Reality Grouping having it's own INFINITE IN NUMBERS DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES.

So there exists infinite versions of you and I and everything and everyone else all existing in Alternate Divergent Universal States of Reality.....and although they are Infinite in Number Universes....they all have the same Natural Physical Laws.

This is known as a BASELINE UNIVERSAL REALITY GROUPING.

But there are also INFINITE NUMBERS OF BASELINE UNIVERSAL REALITY GROUPINGS!!!

Each Grouping with a completely different set of Physical Laws...and each Grouing just like our Grouping having INFINITE IN NUMBER DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATES OF REALITY....and some of these Natural Physical Laws could be so Alien in it's Nature to us we could neither understand or have a frame of reference to understand nor could we even EXIST within them.

Now.....I just spent all that time talking about something you are completely clueless about.

But that was never my question.

I just wanted to know WHY you included Many Worlds Theory with a Topic about Abortion and as you already answered my question as to what does Many Worlds Theory have to do with Abortion by saying in reply....that you never said the two had anything to do with one another.....then I will ask again.....WHY DID YOU THEN CREATE A TOPIC WITH THE TWO SUBJECTS WITHIN IT???

AboveAlpha

 

Pot is no longer a Criminal Offense in Massachusetts and although I don't smoke except a Cigar on rare occasions....in Massachusetts they wrote the law to state that a person possessing under 1 oz of Pot could be written a $100 Ticket....but as possession of less than 1 oz is not a Criminal Offense....a Police Officer cannot force a Citizen to show them their I.D. thus a person could tell the Cop any name.

Because of this the Police in Mass. had a meeting and they no longer write tickets for anyone possessing or smoking Pot and they do not check the amount a person has unless the amount is SIZABLE as in a SHOPPING BAG or more.

Because of this Pot is essentially LEGAL IN MASSACHUSETTS UP TO 1 OZ. and this has SAVED THE STATE MULTIPLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS UNCLUTTERING THE COURT SYSTEM as now the Courts are not bogged down trying to Prosecute Non-Violent Offenders which allows the Massachusetts Courts to concentrate on prosecuting Violent Offenders and it has worked out very well.

There are other States where Pot is legal.

AboveAlpha

 

You equate the value of the fetus with pot....interesting.




YOU: """ I wouldn't want a fetus killer in prison any more than I want a pot smoker in prison. But the former shows a far greater lapse in judgement, in my opinion. And something should be done other than insisting it was a-ok to kill the fetus.""""


Why don't you want a "fetus killer" in prison if you think it's such a terrible thing to do? Isn't it murder in your opinion? It is either murder or a medical procedure.

You're saying abortion is a lapse in judgement but smoking pot has nothing to do with "lack of judgement"

Women who have abortion show a great deal of judgement, they judge they don't want or can't afford a kid so they judge abortion as necessary...

 

The argument that laws that are ineffective should be changed applies to any law that is ineffective.

The only thing that causes people to hurl hateful slurs is their insane compulsion to control others.

It's simplistic to just say, "You shouldn't kill the fetus." Following that judgement, you say, "You shouldn't have a baby/child you can't support." "You shouldn't have gotten pregnant." Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

What is "just" about forcing women to bear children when they cannot properly care for them? That is not "just" for women or children. Currently, about half of all pregnancies are unplanned. About half of those are aborted. What about the other half, those who are not aborted? What percentage of those get good homes for their upbringing?

 

It sounds fascinating. But all you have done to "prove" a multiverse is simply articulate the quantum procedures within the computer using language that assumes the multiverse. The procedures could just as easily be articulated assuming other models with no mention of alternate universe computers. Unless you can get far more technical than this, to describe the exact function of the computer that RULES OUT ALL OTHER MODELS, you have proven nothing.

It took you a lot of time to type nothing that requires higher than a middle school education to understand, yet you hilariously think that only you and a few other brilliant people in the world can get it!

All those words about proving a multiverse and no where did you mention how other models are being ruled out by these observations. Basic year one science, bro. You have yet to prove a thing, least of all your own expertise.

My reason for including mwi in the title of a thread about abortion, aside from the fact of my thought processes regarding the concept of possible futures, was to draw attention to it.

 

Please realize that marijuana is not legal in any U.S. state, as possession of marijuana violates federal law.

 

I don't think abortion is the same as murder, though considering what a fetus is, I can certainly understand where people get that idea.

I see abortion as a unique crime all on its own and reject your absurd false dilemma fallacy.

 

So if you don't think abortion is murder why do you think it's wrong? Because it frees women from being forced to give birth?

 

Many things that are not murder are wrong. That I even have to articulate such an obvious point is evidence of the brainwashing underlying this debate.

 

No, if something is "wrong" there has to be a reason...especially if laws are made concerning it.

Laws aren't made because some individual "just thinks it's wrong".



I think it's just wrong to get a tattoo but I have no desire to make a law against it....if people want to do gross ugly things to their bodies is none of my business.



Do you want to say why you think it's "wrong"?

 

Because a fetus is the thing inside of a pregnant woman that grows into the baby. Surely you realize that there is more than one individual who feels that harming it is wrong. It is a very active topic. And laws are made when large segments of society think something is wrong. If society won't criminalize it, then I can live with that. But it is very telling how pro choicers immediately dive behind fallacy after fallacy to rationalize abortion, when all they should have to say is that there's nothing wrong with killing the fetus. If that's what they believe.

It may not sit well with you, but society can criminalize something you don't think is wrong. Please stop asserting the contrary. Such laws already exist.

Just take comfort in the fact that you stood up for the irresponsible women who couldn't be bothered with the pregnancy their behavior resulted in so they killed the fetus instead since all of that is good and right. That's fine if you believe it. But the pro choicers who don't may still be reachable underneath the fallacious rationalizations that keep them on board.

 

Referring to women as "fetus killers", calling then irresponsible, is denigrating women.

You can keep your "ethics" and philosophy.... women have a right to have abortions, it's their body no matter what philosophers or any pseudo-intellectuals say about it...

A person can be all ethical and philosophical until they are poor, alone, desperate and pregnant....then it WILL change their outlook.

 

OK!! YOU FINALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION!!! THANK YOU!!!

You added Many Worlds Theory into the Topics NAME....simply to draw attention to it!!

You can do what you want or at least do what the Mod's will allow you to do....but don't you think doing what you did is rather disingenuous?

I mean if members start doing what you did we are going to have the problems of EXACTLY what occurred here between you and I as I would probably not have read the Topics OP if you had not posted the Topics OP the way you did.

I understand that is the reason why you did it but rather than discuss the real issue to any extent you and I wasted a great deal of time and I am sure wasted other members time reading through basic Multiversal Theory compared to Many Worlds Theory instead of discussing abortion to any great extent.

Now that I know what you are trying to do I will not go one about Multiversal Theory but one last thing.....you mentioned the Math and unless a member is capable of understanding Calculus and Multiversal Polymorphic Algebraic Theories...Syntax, Semantics, Translations, and Equational Logic.....then posting the Math is just a waste of time.

You have been making comments to me as those who threw out McMasterson from Quincy University did to McMasterson as you really have no clue who and what I am.

But....I am very much aware of what you are.

AboveAlpha

 

Federal Law yes which does supercede State Law THANK GOD!!!

And that is why Abortion is Legal in all 50 States and Territories of the U.S.

AboveAlpha

 

Prolifers do that all the time. Pretend they are atheists. Pretend they are unsure and want to hear others reasons. Pretend they are pro-choice, but then get persuaded otherwise. Prolife zealots will say anything true or false, make up any statistic, make up any story.

As always for such people all he is posting is generic prolife slogans. Despite their believing they are clever, they all will quickly do so.

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The OPer has now admitted he has no ethnics in his messages, hasn't he?

 

Those who are against a woman getting an abortion under any circumstance or condition are inherently unethical.

There are many cases where not only is an abortion necessary but is completely ethical.

The problem is they try to make it seem as anyone who understands what I just posted above are in favor of killing Fetuses which is not so.

No one want's to see a viable fetus with a healthy pregnant woman terminated but there are cases such as Incest and Rape where it is ethical to do so and as well as long as the aborting of a Fetus is done as early as possible all that is being aborted in a clump of human cells and not a Human Being.

It might be a potential Human Being but it is NOT a Human Being.

The best way to dramatically lower the number of Abortions is EDUCATION as all children under the age they can either become pregnant or get someone pregnant should be educated in all forms of birth control including abstenence as well as educated about STD's and ESPECIALLY educated about how the use of Morning After and Plan B Drugs asap after unprotected sex will not allow a Fertilized Egg to implant itself in the Uterine wall thus no possibility of pregnancy and no possibility of an abortion.

Yet these same people who are apposed to such EDUCATION have absolutely no problem with a couple going to a Fertility Clinic to get Pregnant as only a few of many Fertilized Eggs are implanted and the rest are discarded and die.

AboveAlpha

 

I said this exact thing in the post you quoted. The poster to whom I was replying asked me why something is wrong. How can one answer such a question?

 

I posted this thread years ago as a branch off of a discussion that dealt with the question of what sacred thing was being destroyed in abortion when a fetus did not have the ability to reason and thus was not human.

I think most kids take calculus in high school. While the notation of higher maths might be foreign to most, the concepts are not too complex for any first year physics student to grasp. I love how your proof of the multiverse is simply too complicated for you to explain! Classic internet science genius! Are you a disciple of Bishadi's? Is he still around?

 

It really is a sickness to think that everyone joins one of two parties and adopts all of the recommended beliefs. The Establishment LOVES you, my friend.

 

This is not the place to be discussing Multiversal Theory so as I stated I will not discuss it here.

There is a Topic in the Science Forum where you can discuss it with anyone here as much as you like and as I stated....unless you understand Higher Mathematics such as Calculus and understand Multiversal Polymorphic Algebraic Theories...Syntax, Semantics, Translations, and Equational Logic....then it is a waste of time posting things you would not understand.

HOWEVER....if you DO understand the Math....I will be more than happy to post the Math for any questions related to the differences between Multiple Worlds Theory and Multiversal Theory....in the SCIENCE FORUM.

You will have to understand the Syntax, Semantics, Translations, and Equational Logic of Multiversal Polymorphic Algebraic Theories and you will have to have a very deep understanding of Calculus.

If you don't then PLEASE....do not waste my time as it is a real pain in the A$$ to find the related Calculus based symbols as even if I go to a website that has them all they don't have the one's that are necessary for Multiversal Descriptions as many new symbols had to be created.

AboveAlpha