How far should border control go to stop these caravan INVASIONS?

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How far should border patrol be prepared to go

  1. Do not stop caravan..let them invade at will

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Only use tear gas, pepper spray, or the like even though knowing thousands will break through

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  3. Use tear gas and the like but if all else fails, lethal force should be used if necessary.

    15 vote(s)
    41.7%
  4. Everyything is on the table because if not millions will come.

    21 vote(s)
    58.3%
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  1. KJohnson

    KJohnson Well-Known Member

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    If indeed 20,000 is coming, and they plan to storm the border, how far do you think border agents and the military should go to stop the influx knowing if these illegal invaders are successful, others will follow suit in caravan after caravan to the tune of millions? Especially knowing all the world is watching to see if they get through and then plan to do the same?
     
  2. Crawdadr

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    As much as I hate the idea of people sneaking across the border, in no way should we be killing people over it. The response of our government should be in per portion to the crime. We dont kill rapists and murderers before a trial why in the heck would we kill civilians coming across our borders without a trial (or hell with one)? In the end who are we as a nation? Are we going to let the actions of foreigners turn us into monsters like ISIS.
     
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    We should not have to kill.

    Chemical weaponry and rubber bullets should take care of the numbers we see now.

    If needed we could use snipers with live ammunition in small caliber rifles to carefully wound aliens coming in high numbers.

    Mexico would soon start busing the mobs back south when their hospitals were overwhelmed with the wounded.

    (If the government snipers shoot their legs it will keep them from rushing our border again for days......maybe weeks.)

    They are slower on crutches anyway.

    This tactic has worked for the Israelis and would be a last resort.
     
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    Here is my vote, through it does not suffice the solution that I have in mind:
    *Everything is on the table because if not millions will come.
    I say, "If people are serious about stopping the madness, serious discussions would be taking place, leaving absolutely NOTHING off the table." I envision many scenarios, many gains and many losses, but such is not to be discussed on this website.

    Do not stop caravan..let them invade at will
    Come on now, this is as ridiculous as allowing elements to freely roam and rove the streets, avenues and roadways and by-ways to hock their wares, them again, there are elements allowed to exploit, usurp and carry-out their malicious plans against national sovereignty.
     
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    I am curious, what cannot be discussed on an open forum on the internet in America? I mean the combination of free speech and anonymity should allow us to speak about anything. At least as long as we are not vulgar or abusive.
     
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    Crawdadr, this nation is no longer as free as purported, by the vast legions of doom seeking to use anything to further their exploits.
     
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    I would suggest that instead of sending 20,000 soldiers, we send 20,000 case workers who can vet them properly, and give asylum to those who deserve it.

    Why are we so quick to dehumanize these people? They have walked, on foot, for close to 2000 miles in the hope of having a better life that isnt filled with gang extortion, and inflation rates on the thousands of percentage, massivly corrupt government, etc, etc. They didnt walk 2000 miles to take your food or rape your daughter, and to think that the goal of most of them is to come into America to freeload and commit crimes is beyond ludicrous.

    This is not an invading force. And to continue to talk about them in such military terms opens the door for violence instead of compassion. What happaned to empathy in this country?
     
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    What you're talking about is not empathy.......it's national suicide.

    There are simply too many of them and they'll keep coming faster and faster if we let them in.

    We don't owe them a better life........let's repeat that........

    We DON'T OWE THEM A BETTER LIFE.

    Yes, their country must suck......it may be dangerous......that's not our problem.

    Once face this fact you will be able to move on to other things.
     
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    Would you kill someone who kicked the door of your house in and forced entry while you were watching TV with the wife and kids or would you just wait and see what they did once inside your home and hope the cops showed up in time?
     
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    I think you should look up the term false equivalence. Then come back with an appropriate comparison. Then I would be happy to continue this debate with you.
     
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    It actually IS an invading force. Its not a crime to protect the borders of our country, or it shouldnt be.
    I agree with Trump on this and hope he doesnt cave in to pressure.
    The images on the news are ridiculous. One guy looked like he was in a head to toe body cast yet told the frantic reporter...Im going to the US no matter what. Meanwhile the rest of the crowd looked like they were at a backyard bbq. lol
     
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    I would initiate a guest workers program. People wanting to come here and work would need to be vetted in advance. While they were working they would have to pay a 20% tax. They would be required to go home after 6 months and reapply if they want to continue working here. I would impose massive fines on any company hiring illegals not in the guest worker program.

    I would pass legislation that we will not accept asylum seekers at the border. They would need to apply at the American Embassy in their home country. Anyone crossing the border illegally would be housed in a tent city paid for by deducting aid from their home country. After processing they would be sent home. Getting caught a second time would mean prison time.
     
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    I'd vote for you
     
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    Remember the first refugee boat to land in Italy.
    If they would have machine gunned the boat, it would have saved thousands of lives,
    and not disrupted Europe.
    Lots of women would not have been raped
     
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    I think we should invade Mexico take it over and then build a wall on it's southern border and after a while make it our 51st state.
     
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    They are kicking in the door of our country just as someone would your personal home. We don't know who they are or what they intend. Door of your house or door of your country, same thing in this case.
     
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    1. Start identifying and deporting all illegal aliens.
    2. Make it a illegal for any government entity to use any tax revenue to provide any subsidy or benefit to illegal aliens.
    3. Provide fleets of express busses to handle the massive voluntary exodus to the Mexican and Canadian borders.
     
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    Fully agree...if they were getting nothing here, they'd leave and stop coming but that will never happen until republicans have enough of their own votes minus the RINOS the democrats have placed in office, so they can change legislation and clean up the mess the democrats have created for the sole purpose of rigging elections.

    Obama seated judges across the US in key positions to stop most of Trump's actions including ruling in favor of sanctuary cities.

    Forget about N Korea, Iran, Putin, and Xi...America's number one enemy is the democratic party. Liberal supporters need to wake up before it's too late.

    Liberals and moderates should ask themselves if rigging elections wasn't high on Obama and dems list why has Obama and Eric Holder made Gerrymandering their highest priority since the mid terms?

    Karl Rove: Obama’s redistricting idea would benefit Democrats – not democracy

    "Since leaving office, former President Obama and his attorney general, Eric Holder, have made congressional redistricting reform a top priority."
     
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    Machine guns on the wall.
     
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    Achieve the objective. Failure is not an option.
     
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    Governments always incubates a corrupt ruling political class that tends to operate as an enemy of the people.
    Hence all of the so far futile efforts to check and balance government throughout human history.

    Trump has tapped into a virtual supermajority of popular opposition to Big Government and its political establishment.
    It will be a Big Fight.
     
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    Who says we have to let all of them in? NO ONE! But we as a country are better than this. Plain and simple. And if you cant see that, then I suggest that you dont know what it really means to be an American.
     
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    Tear gas, pepper spray, and dye markers should be enough to deal with what we have seen so far.
     
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    Destroying our country is not American.
     
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    What do you think it means to "be an American"?
     
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