How Free Market Ideology Killed hundreds in American Airline Industry.

I have been watching the effect of deregulation on the airlines industry. Just to mention two infamous crashes that involve the Florida Chalk’s airlines and the Alaska Airlines crash. There are many, many other cases of airlines merging and their cutting costs resulting in plane crashes. The Florida Chalk's airlines crash in 2005 of flight 101 resulted in 20 passenger deaths including Dergio Danguillecourt, a great-great-grandson of the rum company's founder Facundo Bacardi, and his wife. Chalk Airlines was bought by another company and began cutting maintenance costs on a very old fleet of 1947 Grumman G-73T Turbine Mallard planes. The hollow wings themselves were the fuel tanks and cracks began to develop. In Flight 101’s case the maintenance man, because he was ordered to save costs, merely caulked the structural wing crack to prevent it from leaking. In December 2005 the wing literally fell off the plane killing all passengers.

Mayday Air Crash Investigation - Cracks in the System - Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101(video)

The Alaska Airlines flight 261 case in January 2000 was clearly another example of a crash resulting from deliberate maintenance cost cutting by a airline. Alaska Airlines Corporation in San Francisco office ordered that maintenance check intervals of checking on the McDonnell Douglas MD-83 horizontal stabilizer jackscrew be decreased from a 900 hour interval to 2500 hours! As a result of doubling the maintenance intervals the jackscrew began to wear until 90% of the threads were stripped locking up the horizontal stabilizer causing the passenger jet to crash killing all eighty eight passengers and crew. The story gets really ugly when it was revealed a lead mechanic, John Liotine, at the San Francisco airport reported the skipped maintenance on the screw assembly, but was treated as a whistle blower, fired, and black listed from the industry. He later watched the TV news coverage of the flight 261 crash and recognized the plane as the very aircraft he had reported.

Stories of airlines cutting costs, especially after an airline merger, have been blacked out of the press. The results of the crash investigations typically happen many months after the crash and necessarily complex final reports of root causes of the crash never get wide public attention in popular news media. There is a huge story here that has not been told to the American public concerning deregulation of the airline industry and airline crashes.

Other crashes from corporate cost cutting: (video)

• Make 'in Moan-nay—The Work Around. American Airlines Flight 191
• Dead Tired-- Colgan Air Flight 3407

Welcome to Manx2.com Airlines! A genuine Libertarian deregulated Airline Company that no longer exists. Unfortunately, the Libertarian business model—think of it as the "Uberification" of commercial passenger aviation---still survives unlike the crew and passengers of Manx2 Flight 7100 which crashed in 2011.

 

Paying pilots less than the manager of a Taco Bell doesn't help either.

 

Lol how are the airlines in commie china?

 

when you fly what is your biggest selling point on what airline you buy your ticket from?
price or safety record of that airline?

 

From just some quick research it doesn't appear there are any more deadly flights than statistically says there should be.

There are actually less.

Airlines are running at almost perfection as far as crashes go so I'm not sure what else you expect here.

 

Yes, there is somewhat of an extraneous cost in that airlines don't entirely incur the costs of the deaths of the passengers on board when there's a crash.

But they do have their brand names to safeguard, at least the bigger ones.
No big airline wants consumers to think they are unsafe.

 

Its still about 1000 times safer than driving.

...and 1000 times more boring and uncomfortable. I hate flying.

 

The airline industry is the most regulated industry in the history of mankind despite being by a considerable margin the safest mode of transport ever devised.

If horse carriages or cars were invented in the Progressive era bureaucrats would have got their grubby little hands all over those industries too. It's simply an issue of when the technology came into development.

The cost of regulators being neurotically obsessed with safety at all costs would be readily apparent in the car industry as individuals purchase cars. The advantage the tyrants in the NTSB have is that these costs are obscured by the centralized nature of plane acquisition. Very few people purchase their own airliners.

On the day the Ethiopian plane crashed 3800 people died in cars.

The fear of flying ranks right up there with snakes and sharks as the most idiotic phobias yet. Even in Australia, only two people die per year from snakebite. The phobia is just that - an irrational fear.

One power mad bureaucrats are only too happy to exploit, and their idiotic enablers are only too happy to fall in line with.

 

Socialism has killed far more people.....

 

The point has been completely missed here. This isn't about the stochastic of flying--it is about falsifying records, about a corrupt system that calculates the exchange of human lives for maximized profits, about organized criminal acts involving extensive efforts to avoid oversight by authorities.

 

and the point you are missing it is the consumer with the obsession for cheaper and cheaper is causing airlines to cut and cut prices to stay in business and the price cutting come at a cost the cost of cutting corners
Now if the consumer was more about safety and not cost airlines wouldn't be cutting corners to offer lower and lower prices

If safety was the driving factor on which airlines sells the most tickets and not cost airlines would concentrate on making sure they have the best safety record not the cheapest tickets

 

The moronic notions that people come up with never cease to amaze me.

It is much more cost-effective to do everything in your power to ensure a plane is fit to fly then it is paying out lawsuits.

Often times insurance companies insure airlines give the airlines a very large break on there insurance when the proper maintenance and testing is performed.

to suggest this is a free market problem is to not understand the very basic concept of a free market. In a free market an airline that had an incident resulting in death would probably be no more.

How much plane crashing would you tolerate? If the chances were better that you were not going to be involved in a plane crash wouldn't you go with the company that would be less likely to have a plane crash?

Because I know what I would do.

 

Is it really any worse than any other industry where big corporations deal with government regulators? I recall a few times where the regulator was bribed or expected a high paying job with that company and then was followed by a disaster. Send the people responsible to jail instead of fining the company. Do it enough times and the problem will resolve itself.

 

You mean like the obama administration.

 

Deregulation was a choice we made 40 years ago to democratize air travel. Instead of it being just for the wealthy, we decided to introduce competition, which meant lower fares. Now riding on a plane is no different than traveling by bus, except it’s faster. The great unwashed masses can fly anywhere they want for a few hundred dollars.

As with any change, there are some positive consequences and some negative consequences.

 

There is no commie China..

 

Yeah like shoving three people into a space where only two used to be for travel..No peanuts and only alcohol is for first class because they can pay not to be thrown off a plane for drinking booze...

 

you cant have your cake and eat it to
you want cheap air travel so the average American can fly but you also want them to fly first class
you cant haver it both ways

that the problem with most liberals like your self you live in a fantasy world completely detached from reality

 

First class is for dumbasses that like to pay for their position in society..Has nothing to do with a four hundred pound man oozing his lard into your seat because people are packed in tightly.....

 

The whole idea of regulation ensures that you don't have to make that choice.

 

The great thing about the Free Market is that you can force these airlines to make a better product...all you simply have to do is not fly those airlines

 

Pretty good, actually.

Their equipment is newer.

And they fly into world class airports and facilites served by up to date infrastructure.

No old, dirty planes. No old, overcrowded and dirty airports.

 

Watch roof collapses in Chinese airport...https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/102041235/watch-roof-collapses-at-chinese-airport

 

Ironically, it's still remarkable how few Americans actually make that choice.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/11/a-shocking-number-of-americans-never-leave-home/

(this both reflects and explains how parochial many Americans are).

 

https://www.firehouse.com/home/news...er-international-airport-to-evacuate-terminal