How many contradictions in your belief system before you'd leave it?

And what makes your construct of the Noah story here the "correct" one. Your last sentence here is a categorical statement.
How did you become the keeper of the keys?

 

Then maybe you’d like this one too: The solar Logos is a spiritual sun behind the visible one, which is his heart. He stands as the Creator at the center of a new solar system and with the support of the Elohim governs all cycles, active and inactive. When in standby mode some of the Elohim who retain and preserve all the seeds of life deliver them to the Logos and other Elohim for continued evolution.

That interpretation of Noah and the Ark comes from a published works. Surely there are others in the same book, but I don’t have time to look them up right now. Whether the one I gave is just pulled out of my hat or regurgitated from past absorption, I don't know at this time. So, no, I am certainly not the one who holds the keys.

This is not the first time that I have indulged in vague recounting or in being too concise.

 

exactly the opposite...a book of jewish fairy tales and not even a good one...brothers grimm were better writers...

 

Of coarse I know what you mean. I also know you are wrong. The bible is 100% accurate. Two different accounts in Genesis?

 

The Bible has a lot of stories in which some people did good things and others did evil things. In some cases God even rewarded people who did the evil things. If you were to follow some biblical examples would you do the good things or the evil things?

 

The Bible in part is moral guidence among other things. The question what do you do with that knowledge gained from those lessons?

 

If a person is smart he would develop a better moral code than the outdated ones in the Bible.

 

You mean like someone smarter than God? Good luck with that. Gods law is perfect, the words of Jesus are perfect. To not believe that is perfect error.

 

If the Bible is all true then explain how the gospels can be true if they are mutually contradictory?

Is this true?

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. [SUP]2 [/SUP]They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, [SUP]3 [/SUP]but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]4 [/SUP]While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. [SUP]5 [/SUP]In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? [SUP]6 [/SUP]He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: [SUP]7 [/SUP]‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then they remembered his words.

Or is this true?

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb [SUP]3 [/SUP]and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?” [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. [SUP]5 [/SUP]As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you

They cannot both be true. The only possibilities are that one of them is true or none of them are true.

Either they saw one angel or they saw two angels.

 

One hundred percent.
Interesting.
So, in those days, when someone measured something in cubits, if they said "30 cubits"
the it was 30. Not 29.99999, nor 30.000000000000001 cubits; it was 30, precisely, accurately.

Populations of towns, numbers of soldiers were always in even tens, hundreds, or thousands.

And you believe that?

 

When I saw that you responded I was excited to look and see what interesting contribution you might make to the conversation, imagine my disappointment...

 

Right.
People who jolly the Bible along as silly and factually wrong have merely choosen to understand it that way.

I have consistently presented a way to understand the Bible, such that it corresponds with the facts of science, but the Free Will to chose otherwise and pretend that such a choice denigrates the scriptures is botj possible and childish.

 

Example?

 

Lol...

 

f the Bible is all true then explain how the gospels can be true if they are mutually contradictory?

Is this true?

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. [SUP]2 [/SUP]They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, [SUP]3 [/SUP]but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]4 [/SUP]While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. [SUP]5 [/SUP]In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? [SUP]6 [/SUP]He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: [SUP]7 [/SUP]‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then they remembered his words.

Or is this true?

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb [SUP]3 [/SUP]and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?” [SUP]4 [/SUP]But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. [SUP]5 [/SUP]As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you

They cannot both be true. The only possibilities are that one of them is true or none of them are true.

Either they saw one angel or they saw two angels.

 

Wait... so you're going to hang your claim of the Bible being full of contradictions on posting two accounts, by two different authors, at two different times... with one mentioning the 2 men, and one mentioning only one of them ?!

They don't contradict each other. Neither claim how many men were there. Both are an author's account of what they were told.

While this is the typical argument made by those who say the Bible is contradictory....
Please... tell me you have more than this

 

There's plenty more than this.
Start with this. You haven't reconciled these accounts by any stretch.

 

Shhh... I was talking to the guy who thinks those are contradictions.

 

Oh Good.

So the Gospels aren;t actually true in any meaningful sense they are just accounts told to the writers which may or may not be accurate Matthew and Luke were both written about 50 years after the death of Rabbi Yeshua Ben Joseph (aka Jesus the Christ) so one would expect that accounts had substantially drifted by the time the gospels were written. But it certainly indicates that they are not literal truth as Fundy Christians beleive.

Just as the Speed of light makes a 6000 year old earth impossible.

 

Shhh.
You're talking to another one.

 

The gospels are called "a testament" because they are the words of the people who are telling us what they remember, and what they knew about the matters of 32AD.

The truth is up to the jury (us) who reads this testimony and decides what it means.
If every "witness", i.e.; the four writers, parroted the exact same statements, we would conclude that collusion was the reason and we could discount the testimony on that grounds.

 

But you agree that they can't all be accurate, right? Somebody got it wrong and it is now scripture, right?

 

It was enough, and has proven to be satisfactory, that Christians undertood the basic meanings of the events of 32AD and over threw the oppressive mythologically based multiple religions of the Roman World which equated Emperors to Gods unrestrained in authority over us.

What has historically evolved from 32AD is a Western world under one monotheism which can now be ecumenicalized into a positive social force of a relion whose purpose is simple charity to the poor and weak, as is the doctrine of this current pope.

All three of these divisons of monotheism await the next shoe to fall, when the great teacher appears and all is well forever thereafter.