How many contradictions in your belief system before you'd leave it?

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  1. Sab

    Sab Active Member

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    So all we have is that you believers now state that the gospels are testimony of people who believe this is what happened but after x number years cannot say for certain what happened?
     
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    Where you put a comma can completely change the meaning of a sentence.


    Call it "minutiea" as you wish, but the fact is, i showed you one of many places where
    the bible is snot 100 percent accurate, as you falsely claim.

    If you are satisfied that a little lie is ok, too minute to notice, i wonder where you draw the line?
     
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    Lie? No lie, I did not even consider seriously your comment or where it came from. It is a meaningless objection. That the only way to heaven is through the blood of the living Christ who sits at the right hand of the Living God. All other considerations are of no account and meaningless. If you do not believe that truth, well, I am no judge...
     
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    That is why you are such an advanced thinker.
    You don't consider any commentary on any subject outside your little bubble. You shut down long ago.
     
  5. Never Left

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    I like the bottom line. Why wade through pig crap to get at the bacon.
     
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    A food with no nutritional value.
    You have reached the bacon.
    Tastes great but will kill you.
     
  7. Never Left

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    Got nothing? Whatever...

    The illusion was to not cast pearls before swine...
     
  8. Sab

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    I think you mean allusion and I have never heard of pig crap called pearls before
     
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    Thanks for the error correction.

    Matt 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
     
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    Of course you did not consider it. If you did, you'd be faced with the horrifying truth that your
    inerrant book is not 100% accurate.

    If you think the only way to heaven is to believe falsehoods of your own creation, you may not be gettin' there.
     
  11. FreedomSeeker

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    It would likely mean that the people (witnesses) were not to be trusted to give us the truth very much.....just like the inconsistent authors of the Bible. So if those 4 witnesses wrote a book about the accident, you wouldn't want to trust that book, correct?

    - - - Updated - - -

    And the story of the magical, illogical, "resurrection" is a good teaching narrative....rebirth.
     
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    There are a lot more than four witnesses to the gold books of j smith.

    The noahs ark and resurrection stories teach people crazy stuff that they must believe or they get tortured. some lesson.
     
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    Yes.
    How about, like, what, FIVE contradictions? I might be able to fathom 3 or 4, but 5, probably not. Ten? Oh HELL NO! 100?...what do I look like, a fool? 200? 300?.....at what point does a book start to become a joke?
     
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    Christians, if it was 600 contradictions, THEN would you leave Christianity, or does nothing matter to you but alleviating the fear of the unknown (about what happens to you after you die, that Christianity claims to answer)?
     
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    "if it were" :D

    Since they acknowledge no contradictions your q is meaningless
     
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    OMG, my mother is stalking me online and is now correcting my English just like she used to do!! :-D
    Help me Tom Cruise, use your magik so she ain't gonna do that no moor!!

    (See, I'M not crazy, I'm not the only one who thinks this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8-eiHLg-M )
     
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    My mom did it to me in two different languages.
     
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    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    However, most of the blatant inconsistencies, including those that draw the most flack, stem from their literal meanings and are not a product of said editorial compromise.

    “The inconsistencies, contradictions, and inaccuracies are irrelevant to the meanings and messages in the esoteric contents.”

    The inaccuracy becomes irrelevant and insignificant when the literal meaning is dismissed in favor of the underlying meaning. Hanging on to the literal meaning gives you an endless axe to grind in opposition to a “fundy” train of thought.

    If it can’t be understood at face value, that’s all the more reason to suspect a deeper meaning.

    Gross exaggeration. While multiple interpretations can be legitimate, usually only a few at most are necessary. Typical dual applications address microcosm and macrocosm.

    Not when dealing with deeper meanings. In the example focusing on whether a second angel was present in Christ’s empty tomb, here is the vital message: Jesus died, but because of his advanced development, he came back into existence as Christ with abilities to function in our reality and the higher reality beyond, into which he later moved on. Immanence, perfection, and transcendence. It doesn’t even matter if the argument is somehow stretched for an additional third angel.

    When that happens here, you can be the first to jump on their case. We’re dealing with written works. Esotericsm finds common ground in many sources of scripture.

    Existing volumes of Theosophy could well take up a lot of space in a library. There is no shortage of esoteric content.

    “Likewise the many contradictions are deliberate if not occasionally the product of introduced error. They are a blind that discourages access to knowledge by those who seek shortcuts to power and dominance in their malicious narrow scope of worldly perception.”

    Scripture is a proponderance of the pattern stated, and said explanation is the most likely one due to the persistent adherence to that pattern, which is the nature of the sacred language. Otherwise conveyance would have been more direct, simpler, and clearer.

    Are there any serious scientific studies of black magic, a topic that often spreads to include voodoo? They don’t show up on an internet search. I didn’t check white magic.

    Some Psi phenomena have been demonstrated to be within statistical significance, e.g. minds affecting random number generation. Remote viewing is a known process. Telekinesis can’t be ruled out: A contact on another forum witnessed a person who could repeatedly demonstrate influence on the timing of traffic light cycles, even when blindfolded, but required some information on the whereabouts of the control box, and claimed differentiation of effort in accommodating the type of internal controls.

    In Faces in the Smoke by Douchan Gersi [MENTION=4151]199[/MENTION]1, he describes batteries being repeatedly drained dead when trying to use photographic, video, and audio recording equipment within a shaman’s delineated site where people participated in ceremonious trance states. In a different scene one gifted character is quoted as not holding a flashlight close to their body for the same reason.

    The health of him and his accomplice debilitated after not heeding the shaman’s warning against stepping out without permission. The sorcerer they had to consult for alleviation could immediately see just how serious their condition was when he saw their auras. A phenomenon perhaps related to auras is Kirlian photography.

    You can talk all you want to about things not being demonstrated, but amateur use of a ouga board is known to be a bad idea.

    “The flood probably represents major earth changes that occur in the progression from one cycle to another.”

    One source goes so far as to declare the deluge to be just another creation myth. The Chaldean Noah is the third person in their trinity, but he fits better in the septenate scheme at the junction of the third and fourth planes, since the last of his three sons represents humanity arriving at the 7th plane, the physical world. The Bible, however, has all three sons contributing to the human race(s).

    As you probably know, straightforward doesn’t work. The story is almost an insult to intelligence. The ark’s sole opening is so small that suffocation would be inevitable. The fauna sampling doesn’t cut it, and there’s no mention of flora sampling. A timeline for dinosaur evolution is problematic.

    Consistency across products of like-minded authors generates some degree of credibility.

    The stories do not contain keys that make them easy to decipher. They are thus protected yet enable perennial transmission of secret knowledge to those who are worthy.

    Compare the flood story with mass extinction events. These may involve asteroid strikes, pole shifts, magnetic reversal, excess volcanism, ice ages, gamma ray bursts, galactic core explosions, mass coronal ejections (solar flares), or simply astronomic combinations involving deviations such as the earth’s apogee. Researchers are noticing patterns in cycles at intervals of thousands and millions of years.

    Some sources such as Hopi prophecies and Russian decoding of crop circles suggest dimensional shifts. The latter could be a feature of the Bible’s rapture. Such features not supported by established science will of course be subject to skepticism.
     
  19. scherado

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    How many?

    One. (I'm sure I'm not the first.)
     
  20. FreedomSeeker

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    No, it means that's all the more reason to suspect that they are just poorly written fairy tales for adults.
     
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    Religion is about fear, and even good moral people fall for that fear, and then become less moral then they would be as modern Secular Humanists. Non-falsifiable claims, like Christianity, can put as much fear into people's hearts as they can muster, with no particular way of falsifying them 100% (There is hope for those great people, however, as people like Richard Dawkins are being heard more and more and more.) Example: even if a Muslim was fully convinced that Mohammad was porking a child they still couldn't condemn his actions....out of fear. Courage is doing what's right, even though it might mean pain in the future.

    [Spell-check completed.]
     
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    "nobody has ever demonstrated anything supernatuaral. if they ever do it will be nobel prize and a world wide sensation. same as when they catch a flying saucer or bigfoot."
    ....NOW THERE'S SOME WORDS OF WISDOM. Much better than the vile "words of wisdom" (kill gays, Taikoo and Margot are only worth 1/2 a man, slavery is cool, etc.) found in the ancient barbaric texts of Islam and Christianity.

    Also, if Jesus' magic was real, we'd see headlines like "Praying nuns win lottery yet AGAIN, saving another orphanage."

    P.S. Thanks, Jesus, for not simply WARNING those people at the Kenyan mall that an Abrahamic-faith-inspired bunch of murderers was going to kill them in the name of their Abrahamic faith in which Jesus is a prophet. Indonesian tsunami, etc....."absentee gods" tick me off.
     
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    Speaking of floods: Dawkins et al are simply too moral to ever APPROVE of the "all-loving" god drowning virtually every living thing (innocent baby pandas, an ancestor of your favorite puppy, human babies and fetuses, etc.).....so they've bravely left Christianity, like moral people are doing at an alarming rate. Many would leave Islam, especially if death for apostasy was not a sick part of that Abrahamic faith.
     
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    I was lucky, I didnt have to 'leave" xtianity, Islam, or any other religion.
    Born free!
     

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