How many crimes would not have been committed if Obama administration enforced the law

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  1. jmblt2000

    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    According to a DOJ OIG 2016 report, 100,000 prohibited people tried to purchase firearms by lying on the FF 4473...this is punishable by ten years in prison. Yet according to the report only 30 - 40 were ever considered for prosecution per year.

    Now had those 100,000 been prosecuted, how much lower do you think the crime rate would be? It was asked in another thread about suicides and firearm availability, how many would have lived if there were no guns. How much crime would have been prevented if there were less criminals on the street..

    1. Https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/a1643.pdf#page=1
     
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    I spent time working in a retail gun shop a few years ago, and we regularly had gang members and other people walking in, wanting to run their background to see if they could pass. They'd get denied (obvious criminal record), shrug their shoulders and walk out, utterly unsurprised.

    If there was any gun regulation I'd support whole-heartedly it would be arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating disqualified persons who choose to brazenly lie on the 4473 purchase form....
     
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    Yeah. Why won't Trump enforce the law?
     
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    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Who says he is not, there is no report out on Trumps first year for FF4473 prosecutions. What if he put over half of those in prison. He's already directed ICE to go after the MS13 gangs...so what laws is he not enforcing. Illegal immigration is down, deportations are up. Or don't you like that?
     
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    I GUARANTEE you he has not put 10% in prison. It would be the lead story on every news network in america. The GOP will NEVER prosecute people who lie on FF4473. It costs too much
     
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    Why would you say something so lame? You know that the only available reports were during the Obama Administration. You have no idea if there has been an increase or decrease in prosecutions for lying on the 4473 by the new administration.
    As we have stated for a long time. We need to enforce existing laws, until we do, there is no sense in creating more laws that will go unenforced... like universal background checks.
     
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    I guarantee it. It would be on every news station in the country
     
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    So your opinion is solely formed by the lack of news?
    New stations aren't interested in reporting that this administration is doing it's job.
     
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    yet Trump still has not mass deported illegals either?
     
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    There's no reason to even consider additional gun control laws until Congress creates a legal requirement to investigate each of these stops and, where applicable, prosecute to the fullest extent possible.
     
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    I GUARANTEE IT. If he has prosecuted 50% I will declare myself the biggest NRA supporter on here. LOL
     
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    Neither did President Obama, your point ?
    However, if an Illegal Alien is in a traffic stop or detained in the commission of a crime, they now turn that person over for deportation at some point.
     
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    Many also promised to leave the Country if Donald Trump became President, they are still here.
    I did not believe them either.

    Also noted:
    You have not said you would become an NRA Member, very tricky.
     
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    Not that any of that has to do with what we are talking about
     
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    It has to do with empty promises.
     
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    that was my point, trying to attack Obama for not doing it, when Trump has not either and Trump controls Congress too and has not done it, shows it's not that easy
     
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    I have not attacked former President Obama for anything, I had my say at the polling booth at Election time, now, there is nothing left to be said on the matter.

    Lots of peo people are upset with current President Donald Trump because Immigration enforcement is targeting illegal aliens and deporting them as soon as they are detained in other problems that requires their status to be accessed, such as a routine traffic stop etc....

    Presidents do NOT control Congress as part of checks and balances over Presidential powers, Congress can override any Presidents decisions.
     
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    If only frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses on the ground when they jumped ...

    If only Bush had had more money to build more court houses and jails ...
    If only Reagan hadn't pardoned those 3 million illegals ...
    If only Trump hadn't been on the golf course ...
     
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    Can't meaningfully address the issue...?
     
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    If if were horses, beggars would ride.

    Old Proverbial saying.
     
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    But would you double your taxes to incarcerate all of them
     
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    You are the only one that raises an objection to the one real way of reducing crime.
     
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    How do you address, "what if's"?
    It's all just conjecture.

    What if the one illegal alien who wasn't deported killed a guy and buried him ... and that guy would have been one of the crazies who damages 30 school children if he wasn't stopped ... but we will never hear about it because nobody else knows?

    You can contemplate "what if's" but I can never take them very seriously, because the Law of Unintended Consequences is always there.
     
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    In this case, maybe not so much.
    Each of those denials has a name attached. Match them with people who committed crimes after the denial.

    The point behind all this, I am sure you agree, is perfectly valid.
     
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    What a complete waste of time that has been.
     

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