How many genders are there?

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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good grief.
     
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    You do objectively make stuff up, no doubt.
     
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    https://www.google.com/search?q=hot...2D4vnSAhUE94MKHdKHDOYQsAQIGQ&biw=1920&bih=950
    What gender are these?
    At one time, they supposedly had a penis.

    I am sure terminology is part of the problem. I've asked a few times in this thread, if one doesn't agree with the dictionary definitions, what is the definition of gender?
    Most said 2, but there is at least a 3rd, we've labeled them today as trans, an inbetween or transitioning.

    It seems just sex organs alone doesn't determine the sex of a person. Hormones seem to be a factor, and perhaps the XY chromosome and the fact there may be some abnormal way in which they match.
    It is an area without a whole lot of study. Although, those that have studied it, do seem to agree, that it's not strictly an anatomy or organ thing.

    Now you say you know feminine men, however that is defined, or you've had feminine traits, and not considered them or you female. And since it seems to be somewhat a sliding scale, what about those males who are extremely feminine? And they do categorize themselves as more female than male.
     
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    Well if we go by the dictionary, they're "male women". Their sex hasn't changed (still have xy chromosomes), but their gender has. Basically sex is set and doesn't change, gender (by the dictionary) is kind of optional and can change. Though, again, w/o any examples that are that full blown, the dictionary definition of gender doesn't seem to reflect reality. People who don't undergo sex changes, don't self-identify differently, but simply are effeminate males or masculine females - aren't considered to be of a gender separate from their sex.

    Even the most feminine male friends I've had didn't consider themselves, and others didn't consider them, women. They dressed effeminately, wore makeup, some developed a limp wrist - for guys, pretty feminine traits, but they were always still considered "guys", just effeminate. And again, neither I, they themselves, nor (to my knowledge) others categorized them as women. They were just effeminate guys (I was in theater - there were a fair number of effeminate guys in the theater, and handful of whom became/turned out gay or bisexual - but that never left us to call them "women").

    "Transgender" is a third gender? My above experiences aside... That hardly seems accurate to say. As we got from definitions, gender is a reflection of traits ascribed to one of the two genders - and if someone is "transgender", that means they either changed or are changing their gender. You talked about it as a spectrum - if I *was* a liberal but *became* a conservative, you wouldn't say that's a totally different political view, would you? Wouldn't it make sense to just say then that I'm a conservative? By the same token, if someone *was* a female (sex) woman (gender) and they changed to become a man, then we could say their gender (not sex) is man, right? Trans-gender meaning they changed gender. It isn't a new gender itself - if we're going by how the dictionary defines gender.
     
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    If you was liberal, then conservative, depends on how fast you change.
    I consider myself independent.

    I don't know if trans is a 3rd, but it certainly isn't male or female. At least to them, the will become one or the other, when and if they make the physical switch.
    You're saying if one had a penis, was very feminine with the penis, had it removed and breast either implanted or augmented with hormones, they are still male?
    Why? Or you actually said they're male women.
    Why not female men?
    Is this then a 3rd? Or 4th if it's female adding a penis?
    And of course, there are those with both sets of sex organs.

    Seems like this can go in circles of what ifs.
    But, IMO, to say there is only 2 is not correct.
    There is, again IMO, no clean cut between what one would say is male and what is female.
     
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    haha, yeaaaaah, the terminology here is confusing. Male/female is sex, man/woman is gender, and so it doesn't really matter than trangender isn't quite exactly male/female, does it?

    What I was saying about effeminate guy friends growing up wasn't about sex changes, i.e. surgeries. If you look at the dictionary definition, it defines gender as the "traits associated with either of the two sexes" essentially, masculine and feminine traits [masculine traits being associated with males, feminine traits associated with females]. But while some of my male friends were more feminine than masculine, no one called them women, they were still considered guys/boys/men, so what I was saying with that is that the dictionary definition of gender doesn't seem to reflect reality.

    If we're going by the dictionary definition, it's clear there are only two genders. If we go with some definition not found in the dictionary you or I use, then that certainly opens the doors.
     
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    For the tiny-brained conservative, exactly 2. For the indoctrinated liberal sheep, as many as are necessary to get triggered by your question. For everyone else, who cares?
     
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    one's personal gender identification belongs to them. It infers no obligation on any other to agree, approve or act in any manner.
     
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    Nope, truth is just hard for some to hear.
     
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    Gender is simply the social identification of biological sex. Since there are only two sexes, there are likewise only two genders. Some people mistakenly believe intersex is a third sex. While intersex is a very real condition that affects about 1 out of every 2000 people, it is a birth abnormality that can come in many variations (e.g., undeveloped genitalia, chromosome abnormalities). Many people who believe that gender exists on a spectrum conflate gender identity with gender expression (masculine, feminine, androgynous). While there are infinite ways to express gender, that does not mean a new gender identity is created to classify that expression.
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    I think we've reached a point where the word gender, like the word "race", is meaningless. I personally do not answer form questions asking me my race, and I mark "Male" for sex, because of my anatomy.

    What really is the usefulness of the word "gender", other than to create liberal college courses and bases for litigation?
     
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    There are 2. But there are some with birth defects and mental disorders.
     
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