How many members would like a firearms discussion area

You do ?
How does that work Ron,
Why do you think We are 50
Separate Nations Ron ?

 

Congress has the authority to arm and regulate the public militia, as it may be called forth to serve the federal govt in times of crisis.

that means Congress has the authority to regulate what arms the militia possesses.

 

Nope

 

Wrong again Ron.

 

sorry, Constitution says Congress regulates and ARMS the militia.

that means they have a say on what kind of arms they may possess.

 

Not only did the Constitution give Congress the authority to arm and discipline the Public Militia, but the Militia Act of 1792 made it very clear what arms the Militia members were supposed to possess, from the basic level foot soldier to the medium-level officers to the commanding officers.

The folks who wrote the 2nd Amendment made it clear in 1792 that they believe Congress has the authority and the duty to regulate the arms possessed by the Public Militia.

Read the Militia Act of 1792, and see how involved Congress was authorzed to be in dealing with the regulation and inspection of Militia weaponry.

 

I know you think the constitution really means nothing and congress ought to be able to do whatever it wants to restrict private citizens' rights when it comes to firearms. Your hatred of the proper balance of state powers vs federal powers is well known. but yet you constantly want to impose NYS's idiotic gun controls scheme upon the rest of us

 

Lets use Ron's logic

Congress has the power to regulate the standard Dress uniform and BDU's of those in active duty

according to Ron-that means congress has the power to tell CIVILIANS (private citizens) living in their own states, not in FEDERAL service-what they can wear or soldiers-what clothes they can actually own in their own homes

 

wrong again-congress has the power to tell those in active duty what arms they use

not what arms they may own in their homes or what arms they may use when they aren't serving

 

That every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter,How to be armed and accoutred. provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. 1803, ch. 15.

That the commissioned officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger and espontoon, and that from and after five years from the passing of this act, all muskets for arming the militia as herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound.

And be it further enacted,Each battalion to have one company of grenadiers, &c. and one company of artillery. That out of the militia enrolled, as is herein directed, there shall be formed for each battalion at least one company of grenadiers, light infantry or riflemen; and that to each division there shall be at least one company of artillery, and one troop of horse: there shall be to each company of artillery, one captain, two lieutenants, four sergeants, four corporals, six gunners, six bombadiers, one drummer, and one fifer. Officers how to be armed.The officers to be armed with a sword or hanger, a fusee, bayonet and belt, with a cartridge-box to contain twelve cartridges; and each private or matross shall furnish himself with all the equipments of a private in the infantry, until proper ordnance and field artillery is provided.

The commissioned officers to furnish themselves with good horses of at least fourteen hands and an half high, and to be armed with a sword and pair of pistols, the holsters of which to be covered with bearskin caps. Each dragoon to furnish himself with a serviceable horse, at least fourteen hands and an half high, a good saddle, bridle, mailpillion and valise, holsters, and a breast-plate and crupper, a pair of boots and spurs, a pair of pistols, a sabre, and a cartouch-box, to contain twelve cartridges for pistols.

And be it further enacted,Adjutant-general in each state, his duty. That there shall be an adjutant-general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all orders from the commander-in-chief of the state to the several corps; to attend all public reviews when the commander-in-chief of the state shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to carrying into execution and perfecting the system of military discipline established by this act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that may be required, and to explain the principles on which they should be made; to receive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline

And be it further enacted,Brigade inspector’s duty. That it shall be the duty of the brigade-inspector to attend the regimental and battalion meetings of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition, and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and manœuvres, and introduce the system of military discipline before described throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander-in-chief of the state, to make returns to the adjutant-general of the state, at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrements, and ammunition of the several corps,1803, ch. 15 and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and the general advancement of good order and military discipline

 

Do we know why Ron is completely WRONG? Because not ONE SINGLE ATTEMPT BY DEMOCRATS TO BAN GUNS OR HARASS GUN OWNERS has ever used his silly and incorrect interpretation of the militia act
its always been the IDIOTIC FDR DISHONESTY CONCERNING THE COMMERCE CLAUSE

 

clearly Congress has the authority to regulate the arms possessed by The Militia.

 

anybody else fail to understand that requiring you to OWN something is not the same as the power to bn you from owning other things?

 

Congress tells the soldiers and officers what to possess as part of the Militia.

 

comparing apples with cinderblocks

Using your logic when my former law professor said
"A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS CLASS is to READ WHITE AND SUMMERS on Uniform Commercial Code does not mean you cannot own other books on the subject

Police officers are required to wear uniforms (in many cases) on duty-that doesn't give their employer the power to tell them what other clothes they can wear

The army can tell you what sort of vehicle you operate on active duty

that doesn't mean it can tell you what sort of vehicle you drive while on leave or after you leave active service


Your silly argument is so specious that none of the machiavellian scheming FDR lawyers even bothered using it to create the new gun control power

 

and you cannot figure out that doesn't give congress the power to tell them what they can possess in addition to that

you lose

 

lose? are we playing a game?

LOL!!!!!!!!

 

You are wrong Ron.

 

why, cause you say so?

seems that's your logic. I'm wrong cause you say I am wrong.

LOL!!!!!

 

why do you think your posts are laughed at Ron? because you make claims that fly in the face of logic. If the militia act was intended to allow congress the power to ban or restrict what firearms PRIVATE CITIZENS CAN OWN, FDR and his pet monkeys would have used it. they didn't. that alone destroys your silly argument

its obvious to me Ron, having seen your arguments for going on five years now here, that you don't even pretend to believe that stupid restrictions you support are designed to restrict criminals. Either its -"you should have to do it because I have to do it" or because you don't like the politics of most of the uncompromising 2A supporters, and you want to try to stick it to us. Either way you are failing to demonstrate your arguments either are convincing or based on logic

 

well when one doesn't really believe the reasons he states for his motivations, its obviously a game

 

Folk culture dear chap!

 

Is this flawed, debunked argument truly being brought up for discussion once again? How many times must it be demonstrated that it is devoid of logic, before it is no longer referenced?

 

he just cannot understand that telling someone they need to have some item for a job is not the same power as telling them they cannot own something when they aren't on the job. Its so painfully obvious to anyone who is objective

 

Congress has the authority to arm the militia, which means they have regulatory authority over which arms they possess.