How much longer can we be forced to tolerate the depredations of the anti-vaxers on the rest of us. At least where I live the hospitals are becoming so overwhelmed with COVID sufferers that a 2nd lockdown seems inevitable. This will cost trillions more. And 90% (probably more, likely ALL, that figure is just to shut up the anti-vaxers who find one exception in North Borneo and go crazy with it) of these sufferers are UNvaccinated.. How much longer are we going to turn our hospitals over to these SILLY ****** *******S. WHEN are we going to start following the dictates of simple, common sense and tell people NO VACCINE, NO TREATMENT? Our hospitals just can't TAKE any more. Worse, their staff are beginning to just break down from overwork and are increasingly calling in sick themselves. If I had my way we'd be vaccinating people by FORCE, with flying squads that would hold people down and jab them. What we are doing now is bullshirt and we all know it. "The Constitution is not a suicide pact" Justice Robert H. Jackson
Spin up those rotors. See how much safer it makes you and how many deaths and hospitalizations it prevents. How much longer are ya’ll going to whine? How about a little less talk and some more action? Frankly I’m bored with the talk of authoritarianism by whiners that don’t have the cajones to act on their authoritarian bent. You won’t know how great the results will be until you act. If you really cared about public health you wouldn’t complain, you would ACT. Get to it.
And there we go folks. A PERFECT example of authoritarianism. "Sit down, shut up, and do as we tell you or we'll FORCE you to do it even at the point of a gun if we have to". Btw, Justice Robert H. Jackson made that observation in his DISSENTING opinion in Terminiello v. City of Chicago. Meaning he was in the minority. A free speech case that reversed a conviction of Terminiello based on the grounds that the City of Chicago violated his 1st Amendment Rights. Seems you two have a bit in common with the authoritarianism.
COVID agrees. The more time you give it the better the chances it will be able to spread another variant.
I know I've become tired of all these anti-vaxxers telling me how they have the right to contaminate other people with a deadly virus. My attitude has become: Fu** them, let them die. The more trumpers that don't vax means less votes for that idiot in 2024.
So- anyone who becomes obsessed with a paranoid belief should have the right to force their assumptions physically on others. You don't seem to realize how many weirdly obsessed people there are, and that they are now fully validated and coming for you.... The people who chose not to be vaccinated aren't coming for you- but you are coming for them. Thus, you are supporting the predatory position. Vaccination does not protect anyone, other than reducing the severity of the disease when one catches if. Vaccinated people still catch it, still transmit it. So the only benefit is to the person who wishes to reduce severity. This IS NOT parallel to vaccines for the bacterial diseases of the past, like smallpox, or polio which was a viral disease. There are no absolutes. In the Covid world, nobody is a particular threat to you- but you appear to be a threat to them...... I'm wondering if you should be held down and given rabies shots, because rabies is easy to spread and you might get it then transmit it to others while you hold them down to jab them. That way, the people you would hold down would not be in danger of catching rabies from you or vice versa. Sounds reasonable, doesn't it??
When Covid was new to us, we hoped that a vaccine could wipe it out like other diseases (polio, smallpox). What we know now is that present day vaccines do not wipe it out as we had hoped. Instead, these vaccines greatly reduce the effects of the disease for most people. This was the case for me, for example. Although I was fully vaccinated, I got Covid last July. Although I got it, my symptoms were mild, and 5 days after I tested positive I couldn’t even tell I’d been sick. That’s how fast I recovered, with no lingering effects, and I’m 66 years old. I am pro-vax, and I’ve had a booster. I think the anti-vax crowd is going to get smaller and smaller in a natural way over time, not by force. Since we are not wiping out the virus with vaccines, I doubt that we can stop variants from emerging. And remember, we are a very connected world. If a variant emerges in some obscure corner of the world, it’ll be spreading worldwide by the time it’s identified. Self preservation is the primary reason we vaccinate. That is a strong motivation. I think that as time passes, it will convince more and more people to make that decision. The secondary benefit is that when we get Covid, we are contagious for a shorter period of time. So for these reasons, I say give it time and stop trying to force people against their will. It only makes them more stubborn. And just a note: That big island down under has imposed what we Americans would consider to be draconian restrictions on its people from the start of this. They managed to keep their infection rate low, but now they are having their rate spike up dramatically thanks to Omicron in spite of a vaccination rate approaching 80% and in spite of their draconian restrictions. The cat is out of the bag and loose, so to speak, and in spite of all their oppressive controls, Covid is going to spread there. I don’t think they can contain it now. The threat is going to become real to them now, and I think we’ll see the vaccination rate go much higher rather quickly. That’s what I mean when I say that the anti-vax crowd is going to get smaller naturally, rather than by force. Vaccinated people are pretty safe, and Covid-specific anti-virals are on the way. So let’s not go all draconian. Let’s preserve our freedom as much as we can.
Its the uneducated that is creating havoc, not the virus. 1. There is no scenario in any country in the world where vaccinated are not being hospitalized by the thousands 2. Your so called vaccine, isn't a vaccine. Its just gene therapy. It doesn't protect you from getting the virus and it doesn't stop you from spreading the virus. All it does is help your body deal with it. 3. Everyone on the planet knows, individuals who already had the virus have better immunity than the vaccine can provide 4. And your idiotic vaccine mandates are responsible for the closing of over 57 hospitals this year alone and thousands of medical workers who already had the virus when they were protecting Americans prior to the so called vaccine, have either retired, quit, or moved on to private practice. Thats how your leftist idiotic authoritarianism has worked out thus far. Its the idiotic leftist who have created this medical staff shortage with their fake vaccine claims, and now they are whining about medical staff shortages? Just goes to show you how gullible the left is to media hype and political banter.
OP is right about the hospitals. I know from experience. But is that because of non-vaxxed people? From what I've researched, Omicron variant doesn't care about your vax status I am vaccinated by the way, but it isn't the MAGIC MEDICINE you people claim it to be.
I said many times, I don't care about the fate of antivaxxers. But they are making ALL of us pay for their stupidity. They perpetuate the pandemic. They infect people who get their vaccines, but just can't develop enough anti-bodies. They affect the economy. But now they also take over hospitals. So other people who need them for reasons other than Covid are having a hard time getting treatment they NEED.
The 'hospital infrastructure' should be of concern for all - and we should be doing whatever we need to do in order to keep it running smoothly.
Wrong. Your vaccination has not yet proven to prevent anything. It may keep you from getting as sick but that's not what a vaccine is supposed to do. Note NYC where you're barely even allowed out of you house if you haven't got the jab and with one of the highest vaccination rates in the country is still getting slammed as hard as any.
You are an anti-vaxxer even if you are vaccinated but post anti-science disinformation. Bottom line, yes MOST people who are hospitalized did not get the shot. People in the hospital who DID get the shot but are unable to develop antibodies are much less likely to be infected by somebody who got the shot. So the non-vaccinated person is also responsible for most of those. People who get the shot AND booster are VERY well protected against Omicron. But, not only that, even those who get the virus because they didn't develop enough antibodies are far less likely to transmit it. Your statement "magic medicine" that NOBODY has claimed is pure anti-vaxxer propaganda which looks to come straight out of Tucker Carlson's mouth, who is one of the main culprits for making this pandemic worse in this country.
nurses and doctors are constantly being exposed to the virus, even if every time they win that newest battle, it takes a toll on their bodies that said, we still need to help the unvaxxed when they catch covid, it would be unethical not too
the smallpox's vaccine doesn't work on Omicron either, it's a failed Vaccine? if a new variant comes out that the vaccine doesn't target, doesn't mean the vaccine failed, just means we need a new vaccine for a new virus variant that said, not sure the current vaccine doesn't work against Omicron, looking like it may but someday a variant very well may come to be that the current vaccine doesn't target - and we will need a new vaccine for it
all vaccines do is try to teach your bodies immune system to target the virus, nothing more, that is all they have ever done you're pointing out limitations of the immune system, not the vaccine "It may keep you from getting as sick but that's not what a vaccine is supposed to do." they train your immune system to attack the virus, the rest is up to you and your own immune system
WHEN YOU SEE STORIES ABOUT HOSPITALS BEING CLOGGED, THIS IS WHY: COVID-positive Vermonters with no symptoms clog up ERs. “Hildebrant says the flood of asymptomatic people is preventing others in need of immediate care from getting it.” Some Democrats/Media's campaign of fear is killing people. Why are the asymptomatic using up test kits that actually sick people need?
At last! We agree on something.... When you're right, you're right. And I think that the worst thing that antivaxxers do is, as you say, "take over hospitals", which forces other people with very legitimate requirements for treatment for a whole host of things out of any hope for a timely, necessary hospital-stay. People who have pig-headedly refused to be provided with free vaccinations should be put at 'the back of the bus' when it comes to hospitalization!
Yep. They simply want people to check their rights, freedom, and liberty at the door and bow down before their will and shut up and obey. I made the personal choice at the very beginning to get vaccinated. I would never dream of compelling others to do so and would stand in the way of those who would compel by force.
