How not to go hunting

Discussion in 'Firearms and Hunting' started by Diablo, Jul 19, 2019.

  1. Diablo

    Diablo Well-Known Member

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    How not to go hunting:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/19/us-man-mississippi-shot-dog-leg-amputation

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    A former prominent college football player has revealed how he almost died after being shot by a dog during a hunting trip in Mississippi.

    Matt Branch, 30, and some friends were loading a utility terrain vehicle with hunting equipment when the black labrador retriever, named Tito, jumped on to the floor of the vehicle, stepping on a shotgun that had been placed there. The dog managed, somehow, to depress the gun’s safety mechanism and pull the trigger with his paw.

    Branch, who played college football at Louisiana State University, was hit in the leg and was unconscious for 12 days. He had to have his entire left leg amputated and was operated on nine times.

    Describing the accident, which occurred in December on an annual duck hunt with friends and family near Eagle Lake, west of Jackson, Branch, from Monroe, Louisiana, said it was not until he saw the hole in the car that he realized what had happened.

    He told the Clarion Ledger: “I kind of looked around at the shock of everyone else. I looked down and saw the gaping hole in the Ranger [the vehicle the group was using] bed next to me. That’s when I knew I was shot.”
     
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    That was no accident. Never trust a dog with a gun.
     
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    It was premeditated...
     
  4. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    That was just irresponsibility on the gun user's fault. You don't put a loaded gun down on a surface. If you're not actively and mindfully handling the gun, it should be unloaded.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Meaning a hunting firearm should not be treated in the same manner as a defensive firearm.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    Or, you could just not go hunting at all. Hike instead, take photos of birds.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Or perhaps even not bemoan and demean the choices of others.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Not the same. Hunting satisfies a part of our humanity that nothing else does. It's part of our primal nature.
     
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    Can be done by fishing, perhaps? Or focusing on pest animals like rabbits?
     
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    Fishing is different, but pest hunting could be acceptable. The thing is, in the U.S., deer hunting is pest hunting. Deer do billions of dollars worth of damage to crops and automobiles each year. The thing is, as long as animals aren't in danger of becoming extinct, why not hunt them? It's a renewable resource. If you don't want to do it, don't do it, but it makes no sense to stop it.
     
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    Do you live in a state that is heavily over-populated with Deer? Do you understand the damage it causes an ecosystem to have a massive over-population?

    In my state, they beg us to hunt more to help the population even back out.

    Also, hunting is how human's have evolved.

    We wouldn't be where we are by eating fish and leaves.
     
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    Fishing isn't different at all. It's humans hunting an animal as food. Requires skill and knowledge and patience, just as all hunting does.

    But I agree with hunting in terms of pests ... as long as the animal is eaten.
     
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    Well actually, humans survive very well on leaves and fish. But as said above ... I'm good with hunting pests for food. And I'm not American, so deer aren't a thing.
     
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    So is murder and rape, but they're still generally discouraged

    If you hunt stay on your own property. This idea that I have some sort of obligation to help you murder my family and pets whether I want to or not is not one I ascribe to.
     
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    Have you both hunted and fished? The only fishing that has the same feel as hunting is spear fishing (which is really just fish hunting). Fishing is much more passive, and involves fooling fish and persuading them to bite the object (be it bait or an artificial lure) on the hook. Hunting involves stalking or waiting or following dogs and then ambushing the animal.

    So do you eat the roaches you kill? Pests aren't always tasty, but still need to be eliminated. That said, of course, the ideal is to eat anything you kill, if possible.
     
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    Please excuse (and delete the last two) the repetitive messages. My browser and the website aren't working well together today.
     
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    Not exactly.

    If my firearm leaves my holster or quick access safe, it gets unloaded unless under my direct control.

    My grab-and-go AR15 has one of these in it :
     
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    My primal nature has never wanted to rape, so I don't really agree with that.

    Hunting in most states is legal on designated public lands with the appropriate permits. Not sure what you are talking about murdering your family and pets. Are you in the same discussion we are in? This discussion was about a football player who disregarded basic gun safety rules and was almost killed when his dog stepped on his loaded gun.
     
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    No, we can't live on leaves and fish. We can live on fruits, vegetables and fish, though, or even just fruits and vegetables. Leaves aren't enough for us.
     
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    Ultimately for what reason?
     
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    Which, the handgun or the rifle?
     
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    Both.
     
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    Well, you don't want to put any loaded firearm down when it's not in your direct control. Anyone can pick it up.

    That's why one of the safety steps is to check a firearm to see if it's loaded every time you touch it, even if you just unloaded it and glanced away "for a second".

    The rifle "fast rack" serves several purposes.

    One, it's a "safety flag". It prevents the bolt from chambering a round like most plastic safety flags required on shooting ranges.

    Secondly, while it's in, the rifle cannot be fired. So, at a glance, I know that a round cannot be chambered even if there is a loaded magazine in the firearm.

    Third, since it's made of metal, I can keep a loaded mag in the firearm safely and rapidly load a round faster than I can with the charging handle.
     
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    I live in the country and have acreage. It's fenced and thoroughly posted and yet trespassing hunters are constantly surprised when I call the police and press charges. Mind, these are people who once shot out a 1000 dollar picture window by "accident" when I was watching television.
     
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    Or a child. "Any toddler who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a Gatling gun can easily pick up a musket that was last fired in the 1700's and bag his grandmother" Mark Twain
     

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