How safe is Berlin for Jews ?

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  1. VotreAltesse

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    That's not hard to have a lower violent crime rate than the United State, this country is the last of the developped country. However the dynamics are particulary bad in western Europe.

    If tomorrow Mali get homicide rate from 10 to 5, they would still have a much more higher homicide rate that a lot of countries, but they are more on the path toward peace than for instance,London.
     
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    Jews massively lobby in western countries to support Jews in Israel who ethnic cleanse Arabs. You don't see Jews march not in my name etc one bit. It is utterly deplorable. And that is where the hate from Muslims against Jews come from. You can see the violence increase every time Israel slaughters around.

    Not true. They left.
    In North Africa, the Jews sided with France to help out their colonial masters to violently oppress their Arabs neighbors. As thanks to that, the Jews all were given the French nationality. So when those northern African countries became independent, the Jews left to the country where they were citizen off... France. That's how France still today has a massive amount of Jews, despite they pretty much completely got annihilated during WWII in France. That is not fleeing.

    And on the Arab peninsula the Jews first illegally left to Israel. And due to international pressure those countries made it legal for Jews to leave. So Israel arranged their one way trip. That is not fleeing.

    The claim the fled,.. is something the Jews made up to justify they ethnic cleansed 92% of Arab civilian population of Israel.
     
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    My source says they got a lower violent crime rate than Germans as well.
     
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    That shows how little you know me. I do not expect people to accept something with no evidence and only fools do that. However I know what you are talking about. You are talking about Israel's killing and maiming of Palestinians. You do not believe this has happened. I think this explains your situation rather well.


    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/20/a-tale-of-two-atrocities-douma-and-gaza/

    Now whereas before the Internet you might have been able to get away with just being brainwashed by the Propaganda your news produces, in the Internet age this is not a viable excuse.

    I can see virtually nothing on the video and unlike yourself I do not just follow propaganda but look at it. I guy is showing his bruises though who he is I do not know and when I find out it appears to have been a set up I am even less aware of what happened. That is for the German Police to find out. The idea that a poor video would give anyone a clue as to what antisemitism is in Germany is also ridiculous. Better to check out what the antisemitism rates are, what they cover, whether they are going up or down and why they go up and down if you want to know anything about that. I am sorry you feel you always need to believe what your papers tell you but at least you have come out in the open now.
     
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    Those Germans are clever aren't they? I wonder how they are planning to get rid of the Muslims once the Jews are all gone? lol
     
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    Don't think that Muslims do not attack many Europians on a daily basis ..
    It's just that the media keeps the stories under a blanket.
    There is Lot's of violence against Jews and Christians in Germany, France and other countries.
     
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    Yes, because there can't be any religious hatred of jews, this is how their prophet behaved to a tribe of jew who surrendered to him :
    That kind of behaviour is called a genocide.

    Saheeh muslim 2922 :
    “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him – except the gharqad (a kind of thorny tree).’

    Fake news, they were 350 000 jews in France between 1940 and 1945, 90 000 of them were killed. That's 90 000 too much, but it's not most of them.
    The rest is mostly true, they knew if they stayed in North Africa, they would have to mistrust talking tree or rock.

    An old lady, Mireille Knoll, decided to stay in France while her children knew France was not safe anymore, she survived 1940, she didn't survived the fact to have muslim neighbours. They split her throat and burn her appartment.
    Sarah Halimi thought she could stay in France too, her muslim neighbour throw her from her window.
    A dozen of jews thought they could buy their groceries quietly, Amedy Coulibaly thought otherwise and attacked them. By intellectual honnesty, I will mention otherwise that another muslim saved a part of them.
    Some jews thought they could put their children in a jewish school, a man named Mohammed Merah killed a man and many children. He grabbed a little girl by her hair, shoot at her, but his gun blocked, so he took his secundary gun and shoot her in the head.

    French jews know that their days in France are counted, and they don't have solutions than leaving to Israel.

    That's rather ironic, muslims in France are the biggest allies of Israel, because they confirm what Israel says : "you're not safe anywhere, come to Israel".

    That's better for jews to leave France, they can have anotherhome before civil war start.
     
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    For about 50 years, all Jewish institutions like synagogues etc. in Germany are particularly and additionally protected ... often with additional expenditure by the police.
    The reason lies not so much in the threat of the few Nazi idiots ... but in the fact that due to the Middle East conflict since the founding of Israel, some enemies wanted to bring their war to us ... since 50 years!

    It is true that for a few years more such incidents of Muslims happen in our country ... it is also true that there has been an increase since the refugee crisis!

    There is nothing nice to talk about here and just because nobody does that but the authorities have recognized the problem and come to it, it is something where the state works here!

    But that hates Islam and Muslims are all sub-human's faction, in which again sees a hitch is clear.
     
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    Apart from the fact that due as always only mental garbage of you gives and total bullshit claim ... let's take your 5m refugees, of which we do not even have half actually ... Question:

    Is not it about time that you change your Avatar from Uncle Sam to that of a bloodied Crusader?
     
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    I don't claim to know you. I only know that evidence is not needed for you to come to a conclusion on issues regarding Israel.
     
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    The Jews of today are judged by their actions and the lack of actions, not by their race.

    Those Jews were killed, not because they are Jews, but because they committed high treason by suddenly siding with the enemy during a war. The Jews picked their judge, and he gave them the death sentence.

    Negative. In order to get it to be a genocide, it must be done because of their ethnic/religious background. And they got killed because of their actions. And treason like this, would give you a death sentence by the current US law, easy.

    France gave the Jews in North Africa not the local citizenship, but the French national citizenship. They fought with France to violently oppress their former neighbors, and left to France, since they were French when North Africa no longer was French. In no way is that ethnic cleansing. That is simply going home. And that is 250.000 Jews who left. That's roughly half of the current Jewish population in France.,... excluding national growth of a couple of decades. So go figure.

    Yup. Those Jews are leaving to the only Jewish country on the planet,... a country that has a policy of violently oppressing and ethnic cleansing Arabs. No surprise there. I have yet to see Jews march in France with not in my name theme when Israel uses snipers to gun down 100's or is it 1000's? of civilians protesting against being ethnic cleansed.
     
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    I guess that the guy who cut the throat of this old lady didn't did that because she was jewish, but because he gathered a case on her actions. You're quite eager to justify murders.

    They betrayed him, says the muslims. Muslisms are the winner, they wrote the History to make them appearing the nice guys. Another way to see things is that Muhammed presented himself as someone persecuted by the Qurayzsh, then he started to raid caravans and attack merchants, then the tribes of the region took action against him.
    They didn't picked their judge, Muhammed offered one, the jews accepted him, what they didn't knew is that he was mortally wound during the battle..
    You forget to mention that the children and the women were sold as slaves too. I guess that you're fine with the fact to sell a 8 YO and his mother on a slave market because daddy did something wrong.

    Oxford dictionary
    "The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group."
    Muhammed could have punished only the leaders of the tribes, or at least free the women and children put in slavery, but it didn't . A genocide is to aim to erase a specific ethnic group, he succeed, because the tribe of the Banu Qurayzan didn't existed anymore.

    The current US law doesn't authorize to slaughter an entire village or city because of the actions of their leaders, neither to sell women and children in slavery.


    You lied, you pretended that the majority of jews in France were killed during WW2, I show you you were wrong, why can't you admit it ? And Yes a lot of jews in France today are descendants of those jews, and so ?


    Not in my name march were filled with white liberals, the actions of muslism after every attacks was almost non existant, their only worry was to not get the pay back of the actions of their muslim friends.
    By the way they are leaving to the only jewish country, they can't trust either christian or muslims, so they go to a country who is not perfect, who is, I agree, extremly brutal, but it's a country they can trust, at the opposite of the french who betrayed them twice (in 1940 and today by letting large groups of muslim coming to exterminate them in France) and at the opposite of any muslim country but Morroco, because they know that muslims are eager to have rocks and tree saying "oh muslims, come, there is a jew to kill behind me".

    Some jews made the choice to stay in France, it's the case of that old lady Mireille Knoll, she thought that jews could live with other people, that Israel wasn't necessary, then her muslim neighbour came, split her throat and burn her appartment.

    Now french jews know what happens when you trust the left and french state. I agree with you, Israel did bad things. But if I were a french jew, between getting my children killed by muslims and moving to Israel, I would move to Israel, as violent and inhuman Israel can be (and it's far to be the worst), it's still better than getting your grand mother almost beheaded and burned or your 6 YO daughter shot in the head.
     
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    Source me a Jewish French protest march.

    Yeah well. This is YOUR example, not mine. And YOU brought this up, to claim some anti-semitic component, when all you did is presenting a story of back stabbing Jews who got what they deserved according to modern American law.

    This has nothing to do with being part of an ethnic group.
    The Jews did not choose Mohammed to make a verdict.

    It will be applied to every single soldier who chooses to be a back stabber during a war.

    Pff... far more relevant you lied the Jews were ethnic cleansed.


    Jews got a name for that... price tag attack. And look at them now in France.

    Pfff. They are probably the best protected people in France. And here you accuse the current French government to be like the nazi's. What an utterly insane comparison you made. Says a lot in how much you're an extremist vomiting propaganda.

    Israel is rather proud they ethnic cleansed 92% of their own Arab civilian population, and that they are able to use snipers to violently oppress civilians who demand they get the property back. Because of that Jewish "paradise" is the most condemned nation on the planet. It is far from safe. They live in non stop fear in their militarized society of being killed by people having a problem being ethnic cleansed and violently oppressed because of their ethnic background.
     
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    I never pretend they were any.

    I won't bother me to explain you why it's problematic to kill all men of a tribe and selling the women and children is wrong. You have apparently a twisted sense of morality, continue to do the apology of slavery and genocide, that's your problem.

    Muhammed accepted the verdict, and he was the leader of the people who applied the sentence.

    Yeah, not the entire village of the soldier or his entire company, and his children and wive won't be sold as slave.

    The arabic world is bigger than Algeria and former french colonial empire, you realize ?

    French government want to welcome back jihadists, gave money to organizations linked to jihadist groups, let imams give hate speech, want to continue to welcome thousands of muslims migrants. If you let a SS company enter in your city, don't be surprized they start to kill jews. So maybe the french didn't want french jews to be slaughtered, like people who refused to seriously prepare a war against Hitler didn't want to harm french jews, but the result is the same

    I don't care of Israel, I just says that if I were jewish, I won't wait that my children get killed by a jihadist, and I would do what is necessary to protect them.
    It's much safer for a jew to wear a kippa in Israel than in France, especially in muslim districts.

    French became so weak they don't want to take any serious action against jihadist, even worst, they protect them. Refusing to take any responsibility is a responsibility.

    Someone
     
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    Out come all the leftist Muslim apologist opinions like a swarm of locusts. Leftists are intolerant of other views just like Muslims are of other religions. It is the stark truth.

    Muslim refugees and communities have their highest populations in the European capitals so expect more stupidity from them as their pop approaches and exceeds 10% of the host country. They breed twice as fast literally so it won' t take long eh?
     
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    Shows the world, mostly the Arab world, in how sympathetic they are, compared to Arabs who do hold not in my name marches.

    I won't bother me to explain you that the were killed because of their actions, not because of their religious/ethnic background.

    A guilty verdict of high treason still is the death penalty in the US.

    Pff... "Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart"
    That's from the new testament. Making Islam not any worse than the Christian faith,... or the Jewish one for that matter.

    Only 500 Jews were kicked out of Egypt, due to ties with Israel,.. when Israel used Egyptian Jewish terrorists against Egypt. 500 out of 10.000's. And most if not all of the countries on the Arab peninsula banned Jews from leaving. But the left anyways. And due to pressure from the west, the laws changes so Jews were able to leave legally. And that is where Israel stepped to the plate to organize Jews leaving Arab countries.

    In no way can this be categorized as ethnic cleansing. Fanatic pro-Israeli's claim that, in order to justify that the Jews ethnic cleansed 92% of the Arab population as a "tit for tat" thing. That argument doesn't even make any sense... Jews ethnic cleansed the Arabs years and years before the Jews left Arab countries.

    Yeah... more of that zionistic nonsense,... basically calling French a bunch of nazi's. What a joke of a reply. Really.

    Yeah sure. You're just saying that you're prepared to drop all your western norms and values and join a country committing war crimes, get used to knowing all your bomb shelters in the hood, and join in on oh why do I got this knife sticking in my neck from that bloke I helped to ethnic cleanse.... and call that living in peace and safety and far better than living in the EU. "Of course" you don't care.
     
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    Leftists are just intolerant to people who are not tolerant of other views/religions/ethnicity. But good try with saying how it is.

    Sounds you claim we got a Muslim problem, where we ones had this Jewish problem in Europe.
     
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    How 'seriously injured' does a Jew have to be?
     
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    And you were offended about collective punishment for muslims. Burmese punish as a whole muslims for their acts, and you complain, Muhammed punished a tribe of jews as a whole, in a much worse way, and you don't see the problem.

    Ridiculous, no law in the USA would authorize to kill all the male of a city and sell their wive and children in slavery.

    Number of slaves Jesus owned : 0, Number of slaves Muhammed owned : many, there is no particular number. 20 % of the war bounty was attributed to Muhammed, if we consider they were 1 children or women for any Banu Qurayzan, he owned at least 120 one at the same time.

    "Used Egyptian jewish terrorists", hundred of jews were slaughtered by Egyptians in 1948. Then egyptian governement arrested jews and tortured them, egyptian jews weren't crazy, they migrated mostly to Israel or France, they were wrong to move to France.

    Yes, in 1948 Egyptian already started to slaughter jews. Without considering that Mohammed Amin Al Husseini worked hand in the hand with Adolph Hitler.


    Exactly I don't think we're like nazi, we're like the guys who in name of peace and other bullshit concept refused to prepare war against Hitler because "peace is always possible". Those pacifists are responsible of Hitler invasion of France.

    I'm not jew, so no I'm not prepared to. I'm saying "If I were jew".
    It is the responsibility of muslims, if they didn't started to kill jews in France, most of them would have never left for Israel.

    You want that jews continue to get beheaded in France or get their children shot, that's all you can offer to them.
     
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    How important is the difference, who attackes here whom at least?
     
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    So in summary, do you demand that the evil left and liberals be tolerant of mentally ill and hurtful BS?
    Tell me ... but otherwise you have no other mental complaints?
     
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    I never thought you were a Holocaust revisionist! Is that not banned in France?
     
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    I never thought that neither. It's a problem of languhe. I misexpressed myself because I never denied that 6 millions jews were killed by the nazi regime with the submissive help of a lot of occupied governments.
    It's banned in France, yes. I'm opposed however of that kind of law, only reason and logic should prevail, not stupid laws, the only thing who should be forbidden is to encourage people to commit illegal things.
     
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    That dickhead must be a Palestinian refugee indoctrinated by some Iranian BS...

    However, I don't think Turingen would be safer for kippah walks...
     
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