How Should The Democratic Party Win Back Less Educated Whites?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    In public surveys, Americans consistently attest to Trump's being the worst president on record, but one demographic, less-educated White Americans, particularly older males, have not yet given up on him in significant numbers.

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    How can the Democratic Party retain its diversity - its level of popularity with women, Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, and especially younger, better-educated Americans - while attracting back Trump's beloved fans?

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    "I love the poorly educated!"

    ... and they love their Trump!

    (Anyone who takes exception to the empirical data provided above is cordially enjoined to present any contradictory public surveys, of course. Recognizing that opinions unsupported by data are of little value, I have diligently sought alternative findings, but have failed to find any.)
     
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    Guess I must be one of those less educated Whites. I have an advanced degree in nuclear engineering, developed computational models for transient 2-phase multi-component flows in nuclear plants after the worst postulated accident, a guillotine break in the largest pipe in the system. After 20 years engaged in that menial work and defending it before NRC regulators, I retired to financial services earning an insurance license and passing series 6, 26 and 63 securities tests.

    I know you geniuses tower over us intellectually. I just want to know one thing. How did you geniuses manage to lose an election you won by 3 million votes?




     
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    Maybe stop calling them uneducated would work. It's a no brainer.

    Having a college degree in the liberal arts doesn't make one smarter of more knowledgeable.

    And it you are using Pew, one study shows that more whites with a college degree identify as being Republicans than Democrats.

    Where as non whites with a college degree, usually in the liberal arts identify as being Democrats.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If you think that public surveys confirm that exclusively less-educated White voters cast ballots for Trump, you are wrong.

    Do you have any surveys to offer that contradict the data presented?
     
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    Your use of the term "uneducated," like Trump's calling them "poorly educated," is not accurate. "Less-educated" is the more precise designation. Non-college whites were far more likely to approve of Trump’s performance than white college graduates.

    In any event, you don't appear to have any contradictory data to offer.

    I could not find any either.
     
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    Each passing day more and more of those uneducated boomers are in the ground
     
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    Democracy dictates Demographics = Destiny.
     
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    It wouldn't hurt if you so-well-educated acknowledged that there actually are working class whites.

    The 2016 Exit Polls Led Us to Misinterpret the 2016 Election


    Crucial disputes over Democratic strategy concerning economic distribution, race and immigration have in large part been based on Election Day exit polls that now appear to have been inaccurate in key ways.

    According to subsequent studies, those polls substantially underestimated the number of Democratic white working-class voters — many of whom are culturally conservative — and overestimated the white college-educated Democratic electorate, a far more culturally liberal constituency.

    “The short answer is that the exit polls are wrong,”
     
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    I would suggest that the geniuses living in ivory towers, where they keep brown folk and fat blue-haired pansexuals as arms-length pets, spend some time reflecting on the considerably more glorious origins of the politic they claim to embrace.
     
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    I feel your pain, bro'.

    I graduated Harvard at the Age of 7 with 3 PhDs and fluency (both written and spoken) in 6 Languages.

    I, essentially, had re-written Hawking's Theory by my 10th birthday.

    I didn't vote for Trump.

    Carry on. :salute:
     
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    If I'm pretending this is a serious question put forward by serious people being serious I'd answer this way: They are unlikely to. "Less educated whites" are disproportionately part of American subcultures that resist social engineers and their schemes to engineer society.

    So the answer is: Stop trying to engineer society.

    But you won't, because highly educated Americans are disproportionately part of extremely imperialistic American subcultures that are always waging a crusade to remake the world around them.

    But this isn't a serious question put forward by serious people being serious... it's trolling with a side of haughtiness.
     
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    Easy peasy,
    STOP BEING AT WAR Against White People

    White feminist, LGBT, get a pass.
    The Democratic Party Treats straight White people as untermenchen
    then feign to not understand why they are losing White support.

    Is that simple enough.

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.

     
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    The worship of folks like David Duke, Richard Spencer, and Andrew Anglin for their "Glorious Leader!" as they enthuse "Hail Trump!" is a given.

    As I noted, anyone who takes exception to the empirical data provided above is cordially enjoined to present any contradictory public surveys, of course.

    Do you have any links to any surveys that you would be willing to cite?
     
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    Experience!

    Just look at the Democratic Party Candidates these last ten years.
    And tell me it ain't true.
    The party groomed Kamela Harris for Senator and is now grooming her for 2020
    Straight White men are just not attractive to them as candidates.
    And some White women just may take offense to that policy although their interests may indeed like with the Democrats.


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    Why Hillary Lost.
     
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    I think you are a mental midget who thinks putting people down makes him/her/it feel complete. The working class you refer to were historically Democrat voters. In Cuyahoga County, I'm surrounded by them. In 2008 & 2012, Obama got the minority vote in Clevelend. In 2008 and 2012 90% Obama signs in my lilly white town ,,, fewer in 2012 than 2008, but not all that noticeable. In 2016, 1 Hillary sign, 1 Hillary for Prison sign, and 1 Jill sign.

    The white working class didn't leave the Democrats because they were stupid. They left because Obama and the Democrats screwed them, did it intentionally, and with smiles on their faces.
     
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    The first time I ran into you geniuses was when I was commuting to Charlottesville to complete my masters degree at UVA. Then, environmentalists took a breather from fighting nuclear power to wage war against renewal energy. They wanted nothing of the Tellico Dam. Protests broke out at every college campus across the country to save the snail darter -- that turned out not to be endangered. That was when you geniuses began being wrong about everything. It just got worse from there.
     
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    I'll take that as a "No." You have no links to any contradictory surveys that you would be willing to cite.

    A record number of women — 309 — had filed to run for the U.S. House as of April 6, 231 on the Democratic ticker and 78 on the GOP's. (That's a nearly 90% increase over 2016's numbers. )

    Despite under-represented women (who comprise 51% of the population) running in far greater numbers as Democrats in 2018, you will find that most Democratic candidates are still straight white males, as it the case with the Party's leadership, despite the demographic diversity of the Party progressing at an impressive rate. (Male Democratic candidates for Congress presently outnumber female Democratic candidates for Congress, 535 to 231.)

    The older, less-educated White males the GOP depends upon just may not turn out in sufficient numbers in November.
    As Republicans run in 2018 with a pantload of Trump to slow them down, it is more important than ever that they broaden their parochial appeal.


     
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    I see no need to disparage older, less educated, White male voters.

    I understand that my citing the empirical data upsets you.

    Of course, that demographic largely gave up on the Democratic Party. With the demise of unions and technological innovation eliminating jobs that paid well, their Party largely ignored their plight when they were most nn need. Who can blame them?

    It is essential that the Party energetically represent them once again, as an integral part of the diversity that comprises America and the Party.
     
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    Nothing I love more than reading the musings of the over educated telling the poor deplorable's how we should vote. Hey dummies, it is BS like this that got you Trump in office. God bless them.
     
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    You appear to be confused. I have told no one how he should vote.

    In fact, in justification for less-educated, older White males being enticed by Trump, I stated, "that demographic largely gave up on the Democratic Party. With the demise of unions and technological innovation eliminating jobs that paid well, their Party largely ignored their plight when they were most in need. Who can blame them?"

    Acknowledging the empirical demographic data is not an indictment.

    As for your needing to dredge up and cherry pick a characterization of some Trump fans to serve your agenda. I would apply that term to his neo-nazis and other white supremacist supporters, but far fewer that the "gross generalization" of half.

    In far greater numbers, as acknowledged in the full text from which you plucked an unfortunate term out of context, are "... that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

     
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    I am happy for you and I can only aspire to someday reach your level of intelligence. In the meantime, I will continue to question why so many continue to don their pink hats, stand in their yard, and screech helplessly into the sky. Thoughts and prayers.
     
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    I have not noticed any of your folks with pink hats, standing in their yards, and screeching helplessly into the sky, but your questioning them sounds like a harmless pastime.
     
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    Hey mike
    I think I agree with you that the dems largely ignore and condescend to the working class
    But I am a little confused as to the connection to exit polling?

    I mean, the Democratic Party does not adopt positions like support for gay marriage, trans gendered, “dreamers” , golobalization, etc. based on exit polling, does it?
     
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    Enough said.
     
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    I think it would be giving the Democratic Party too much credit to say that those social issues were arrived at by any sort of polling. The Democrats stumbled into them based on pressure from their own internal groups.

    With the exception of "globalization" in which I think it was a straight up deal with the donor class.
     

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