How Should The Democratic Party Win Back Less Educated Whites?

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  1. Yakamaru

    Yakamaru Well-Known Member

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    Here's a couple of simple steps:
    - Stop calling people who don't vote your way for uneducated. It makes you sound like a posh elitist as***** if you do
    - Respect people's opinions even if you don't agree with it
    - Actually debate people instead of throwing ad hominems, insults, name-calling, strawmans, red herrings, argument by assertion, sea-lioning and other intellectually dishonest ways of dismissal
    - Just because someone votes a certain way it does not mean they are racist, xenophobic, etc.
    - Stop the politically correct bull****, not to mention the identity politics. It does nothing but drive people apart and kills conversation
    - Stop demonizing your opponents. Just because someone is a Conservative, Christian or simply a Non-Leftie/Non-Democrat it does not mean they are hate-filled, xenophobic, homophobic or what else have you
    - Stop with -ists, -isms and other buzzwords. Calling someone for instance a "Conservatard" is not an argument
    - Treat people with the same base level of respect as you would anyone else. You'd be surprised how showing a bit of respect first can go incredibly far
    - Don't assume someone's position before you've even had a conversation. It's dishonest on your part
    - Stop speech policing. "You can't say that". "You can't use those words"

    Democrats will lose more and more support if they don't change their behaviour, attitude and actually start debating instead of acting like they are above talking with those "below them". This trend have been going on since Trump won, and I have seen very little to zero actual change on the Democrat side let alone the Left in general.

    Trump won because of your lack of taking those whom you disagree with politically seriously. Continue down this road and Trump will win again in 2020, but this time around will also get the popular vote. I predict Midterms will look pretty good for Trump and his administration in general.

    Though this is my take as a European and watching, reading and listening to a lot of different sources. I could be wrong, and I will admit to being wrong if or when it happens. But this is what I've observed over the soon 3 years I've been active in politics in general.
     
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  2. Russell Hellein

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    They should adapt Republican voter suppression strategies and find ways to prevent those with less education from being able to vote.
     
  3. Brewskier

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    Hillary lost college educated whites as well.
     
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  4. Bridget

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    I do not believe the Democratic Party can get their voters back. They might try less snobbery, because the Democratic elites really do think they are better than the working class, be it black or white.
     
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  5. Draco

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    You can say whatever you would like, I am simply stating a fact. I am sorry that the statistics seem to offend you in such a powerful way.

    Studies have shown, people who have conservative ideologies are outbreeding those with liberal ideologies. Period.

    Not sure why this would trigger you so badly.
     
  6. JakeJ

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    One thing the Democratic Party could do is stop its members of Congress from continuing to be lobbyists and foreign agents for the government of Mexico and El Salvador.
     
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    a little less arrogance and condescension maybe?
     
  8. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    It's happening! And a major reason is that Hillary Clinton is not on the ballot in 2018.

    The concerted demonization of Clinton by Republicans in Congress and by the right-wing media entertainers for years in anticipation of her being the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee had wee wee'd up unAmerican extremists into rejecting our jurisprudence system and stridently screeching, "Lock her up! Lock her up!" of a political opponent who had not been convicted, or even indicted, for any crime.

    The zealots were hellbent on transforming the democratic process of the land of the free and home of the brave into that of some sh¡thole nation. (Coincidentally, Putin's agenda as well.)

    The fatwa was effective.

    Normal, savvy Americans acknowledge that Clinton was a flawed, establishment politician whose hyped flaws in a virulently anti-establishment year were sufficient to transfer about 70,000 votes in three key states, less-educated Whites being the conspicuous alienated demographic in 2016.

    It's looking as if, in 2018,

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  9. Adventure Wolf

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    A lot of the working class white voters (that is a better term) vote based on the economy. At the end of the day, people vote for the person about every day issues. Their vote is run by the idea that their going to have food on the table and a roof over their head. Sadly Hillary Clinton's message of "Trump is a bad guy" did not resonate with these voters. She needed to talk more about jobs, the economy and supporting unions.
     
  10. Ndividual

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    Less educated = Less indoctrinated
    Personally, I found college only made me more aware of WHY I don't support the Democrat party.
     
  11. Natty Bumpo

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    The reverse snobbery is equally pernicious.

    Neither the best-educated nor least-educated should be laying exclusive claim to political righteousness merely because their perspectives concerning personal interests and national priorities differ.

    The demographic bifurcation is an empirical reality without qualitative judgement.
    The answer to the thread's question,

    How Should The Democratic Party Win Back Less Educated Whites?
    may well be, "Endure Trumpery, and once he has absconded, the nation will return to the prior political alignments with fiscal conservatives, including a portion of those who are better-educated, taking back the GOP, and the Democratic Party reclaiming less-educated Whites," although I still maintain that the Democratic Party largely abandoned this constituency and it remains essential that it again address their needs.
     
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    Ndividual Well-Known Member

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    You can't "win back" what was never lost.
     
  13. Empress

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    Well let's see:

    1) Stop throwing white people under the bus
    2) Stop ignoring the interests of Middle America
    3) Stop prioritizing pandering to illegal aliens over Americans
    4) Stop labeling blue collar whites as "deplorables," "bitter clingers," etc.
    5) Stop allowing socialists and neo-Marxists into the Democratic Party
    6) Follow the recommendations of the Barbara Jordan immigration commission to protect lower income US workers
    7) Stop whipping up racial animus during election years
    8) Stop trying to frighten women by invoking "they'll take your birth control and abortions away"
    9) Stop defecating on American patriotism and US history
    10) Stop defecating on the Christian faith
    11) Stop demonizing law enforcement
    12) Stop catering to anti-white racial prejudice
    13) Stop attacking the 2nd Amendment
    14) Stop attacking the 1st Amendment
    15) Stop putting leftist activists journalists on the bench

    That would be a good start.
     
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  14. Empress

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    It should be obvious.

    The large majority of blacks and Latinos vote Democrat, and they have markedly higher poverty rates than whites, markedly higher college dropout rates than whites, and markedly higher welfare dependency rates than whites.

    Trump may love the poorly-educated, but most of the poorly-educated love Democrats.

    US Census: Poverty Status of People, by Age, Race, and Hispanic Origin
    National Center for Education Statistics: High school dropout rates
    College graduation rates by race
    Ethnic and Racial Differences in Welfare Receipt in the United States (Table 7-1)

    Btw it's pretty idiotic to make a claim and not provide evidence while you demand people who disagree provide data.
     
  15. Professor Peabody

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    Here's how, their base is huddled into areas with the most free stuff.
     
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  16. Natty Bumpo

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    I provide data, and entreat that those who don't like it offer to alternative data.

    I have seen none that contradicts the consensus that less-educated White Americans who had traditionally voted Democratic supported Trump in decisive numbers.

    "Clinton outpolled Trump by a full 21 points (57 percent to 36 percent) among all college graduates, by 17 points (55 percent to 38 percent) among white grads, and by 26 points (61 percent to 35 percent) among white female grads.

    Trump carried non-college-grad whites overwhelmingly (perhaps by as much as 40 points.)
    I don't see why anyone would be surprised by the Democratic Party taking the necessary steps to win back less-educated Whites.
     
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  17. ArmySoldier

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    Non college grads, as in, blue collar workers and wage living families?

    That the demographic you want to insult...AGAIN lol!

    "Basket of deplorables"
     
  18. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Your demeaning Americans base upon their level of education is repugnant

    All have an equal right to vote their perceived self-interests and their perspectives deserve to be respected.
     
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    You demeaned them by saying Trump only got the uneducated votes...

    You're the one demeaning true blue collar Americans. It's why you Hillary lovers lost
     
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    False. I never said, "Trump only got the uneducated voters." You did.

    I stated the demographic empirical data: "Clinton outpolled Trump by a full 21 points (57 percent to 36 percent) among all college graduates, by 17 points (55 percent to 38 percent) among white grads, and by 26 points (61 percent to 35 percent) among white female grads," and "Trump carried non-college-grad whites overwhelmingly (perhaps by as much as 40 points)".

    Do not insinuate that the votes of the less-educated are worth less than the better- educated. Honestly acknowledging differing voting patterns of various demographic metrics - age, gender, race, geography, etc. - does not demean anyone. If you regard mentioning the data as not being "PC", I do not.

    Every
    American has an equal right to vote.
     
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  21. Empress

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    I already have - your assertion was that "poorly educated" people (not "whites") love Trump. I've illustrated that in fact most poorly-educated, impoverished, and welfare-dependent voters are from Democrat-heavy demographics.

    In 2012:

    68% of Latino voters went Democrat
    95% of black voters went Democrat
     
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    So reliant on that old trope, eh?

    Not a word on Young, Well Educated, Not-White Females - or anything in between.
     
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  23. Empress

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    You're clearly making a snobby remark in reference to Trump having "uneducated" people voting for him.

    You're also leaving out facts regarding the education, income, and welfare dependency rates of people that heavily prefer Democrats, so the data you present is a half-truth at best.
     
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    Every American in every state, all 50 states, does have the right to vote. And they have. Sorry your goddess lost...badly
     
  25. Natty Bumpo

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    Your pretending that I was enthused about Clinton to divert attention is a diversion that fails.

    Like most Americans, I preferred her to Trump, of course, but she was always far too "establishment" for my taste.

    You are upset by the demographic realities that I noted:

    "Clinton outpolled Trump by a full 21 points (57 percent to 36 percent) among all college graduates, by 17 points (55 percent to 38 percent) among white grads, and by 26 points (61 percent to 35 percent) among white female grads."

    "Trump carried non-college-grad whites overwhelmingly (perhaps by as much as 40 points)".
    That is simply the truth and does not demean anyone as you have intimated.

    Whether less-educated white voters will return to the Democratic Party remains to be seen.
     
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