How Should The Democratic Party Win Back Less Educated Whites?

I glad I may pontificate. I also graciously extend to you the opportunity to pontificate as well. You do realize that many Democrats do not agree with you to win back less-educated, older White males. Heck many do not even want to retain the better educated, younger, White Bernie bros.

Neither of these statements are especially controversial among Democrats. When I make them I get all sorts of grief from you.

Why is that?

 

Can you document your opinions with actual names and credible documentation?

 

You are clearly a zealot. Many less-educated White Americans who traditionally voted Democratic gave Trump a try, which was understandable, and his sad, sad attempt at leading the nation - acknowledged by most Americans in poll after poll - may presage their return.

 

Sure.

Here is an article about how the Bernie Bros vs. the Clintonistas are using all the leftist weapons against each other.

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...ad_the_conversation_around_them_is_worse.html

 

Yes but what is your background in Gender Studies?

 

FEB. 3 2016? - in the midst of the establishment and progressive wings of the party competing for a presidential nomination.

Wow!

If one were to harken back to the GOP shrill and divisive mutual revilements in their nominative process, it would portend an imminent implosion

 

Well get me up to speed then. Have the establishment and Berniecrats reconciled? Do the Berniecrats no longer care that the nominating process was rigged against them?

Or have the Berniecrats won?

Or did the establishment win?

 

Pew is entitled to their opinion on this

Another explaination is that this survey proves that liberal brainwashing inhibits common sense

The longer snowflakes are subjected to higher education the less chance they have of ever thinking for themselves

 

LOL!!!! Only by the extreme right is ignorance celebrated.

 

If you go too college you may have one marketable skill

But it does not mean you know any more about politics than a good plumber or a farmer

 

I'm sorry you never went to college. It provides far, far more than one marketable skill, but of course you wouldn't know without going there.

 

Just snowflakes or everyone who has a higher education?

 

What the alt right knows about going to college leaves a great deal to be desired.

 

Maybe so, but it doesn't mean you know more about politics than a plumber or a farmer.

But it does allow you to be all snooty about the people who fix your car or your plumbing or grow your food.

 

It's not that liberals know more, it is the fact that much of what they know isn't true.

 

Most mechanics and plumbers went to school for it or as an apprentice. College isn't for everyone, but certainly higher education is a requirement for good jobs in today's technological society.

That said, many mechanics and plumbers make a lot more money than a zoology or 18th Century French literature major. The latter can be as snooty as they want as they ask a plumber "do you want fries with that?"

 

But not for any good reason.

I know. I once regretted not becoming an electrician.

 

Oh, I see. You can't "win" the "argument" so rather than just ignore my post to Mac, you are compelled to spin it into something you can attack and insult. Typical. I'm sorry for you.

 

The Democrats need to remind working class people of all stripes what they have done traditionally and more recently for bottom 90% working Americans, while the Republicans have their top priority of pampering the richest.

IMO, the Democrats allowed donald and RW propaganda create the false mythology that there is no difference between how Republicans or Democrats have fought for working Americans, or worse, that Republicans have been better for them. A great deal of the public believes that propaganda, as evidenced by the election results and statements we have regularly seen here.

But the facts tell a different story:


It wasn't the Republicans who promoted raising the minimum wage, passing health care reform, raising taxes on millionaires, cutting FICA taxes, promoting unions representation, expanding unemployment benefits, or regulating business. It was Democrats.

It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that wanted to raise taxes on high income earners.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that wanted to raise investment taxes.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that wanted to raise estate taxes.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that reformed the health care system to provide coverage to millions of Americans that didn't have it.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that wanted to start Govt projects to get more people employed.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that wanted to cut FICA taxes.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that wanted to extend unemployment benefits for those who lost jobs in the GR.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that passed regulations to reign in the big banks.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that wanted to expand student loan rates, forgiveness, income based repayment.
It was the Democrats, not the Republicans, that required employers to disclose anti-union activities.

It was the Republicans, not the Democrats, that wanted to cut income taxes mostly benefiting the richest.
It was the Republicans, not the Democrats, that wanted to eliminate estate taxes.
It was the Republicans, not the Democrats, that wanted to reduce or eliminate investment taxes.
It was the Republicans, not the Democrats, that have blocked all stimulus proposals and locked spending to actually decrease over a four year period, unprecedented in modern history.
It was the Republicans, not the Democrats, that wanted to cut unemployment benefits.
It was the Republicans, not the Democrats, that tightened bankruptcy rules so folks had a harder time extinguish debt, including student loans.

IMO, Democrats need to get this out, and put their cause as fighting for working class Americans front and center.

 

You dont know whether I went to college or not

And its not important for you to know

 

Snowflakes are clueless and most of the kids staggerng out of the universities fit that description

For whatever reason conservatives manage to survive or overcome that handicap

 

So this thread is for real? Perhaps if the nice liberal folks stopped touting just how superior they are? But, who am I kidding, elitism is the very essence of liberalism in the first place. Why would anyone ever expect that the elitists would ever actually care what the peons of the world think? Unless you tie them directly to dependency, what leverage does smug entitlement and elitism attract?

 

Oh yup, the right doesn't assert that they are the ones who are correct and superior. LOL!!!!!!!

 

So how do you explain white college educated (law degree in my case) conservatives? Or how do you explain the fact that blacks with a college education are more likely to vote Republican rather than less? (https://mic.com/articles/159402/her...ericans-voted-in-the-2016-election#.HCkBmPRQn) How do you explain the fact that those subjected to communism, or nearly were, from Cuba, the Czech Republic, and South Korea, are overwhelmingly Republican regardless of education? What do you make of the fact that the liberalizing process of college only works on those who self-identify as center or no opinion while the 10% who go in to college as self-identified conservatives stay conservative? (Side-switchers, while interesting, are quite rare.) Does that mean the colleges are brainwashing students, and only those who are opposed in principle can resist the brainwashing? Is it possible that the process is self-selecting, i.e., primarily liberals tend to go to college and overwhelmingly liberals tend to go on to higher degrees? (Some possible explanations: conservative high school students are more likely to join the military, go to trade schools, etc.; conservative college graduates are more likely to go out into the workforce rather than continue their education; conservative college graduates are dissuaded from continuing their education by the overwhelmingly liberal professors; the majority of upper level degrees are not conducive to conservative occupations [the percentage of conservatives in MBA programs is MUCH higher than in other programs]; the unlikelihood of getting a professorship for a conservative militates against going for a Ph.D.; the proliferation of liberal-only fields of study like gender studies, minority studies, and homosexual studies; or liberals are attracted to college, upper level degrees, and professorships because they are easier than actually having to work for a living.) If the process is self-selecting, what would the result be of cutting back on or cutting off the government guaranteed loan system? Would that accelerate the process, because only the wealthy liberal elite could afford to go to college? Or would that reverse the trend, with colleges cutting back on useless liberal degrees and offering more degrees that could actually lead to job offers so that students could feel like they were getting their money's worth out of college?

 

The democratic party abandoned working class people in the seventies. (As detailed in Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank.) Smart politicians like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama pretended to care about working people but their policies said otherwise. A stupid politician like Hillary Clinton couldn't hide her contempt for working people and decided to make speeches to Goldman-Sachs and attend fundraisers with George Clooney and Meryl Streep instead of campaigning in battleground states like Wisconsin. And their extremist position on abortion hurt them with religious people who might have voted democrat otherwise.