How Should The Democratic Party Win Back Less Educated Whites?

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    And the white Republicans win. Fine by me. Especially because the whites will be the first to flee, being hated by those constituencies.
     
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    We can thank the Democrats for that. More black babies are aborted than born.
     
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    Glad to find a fella "uneducated" Mark Twain reader :)

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    Piloting may be some easier now, but decking is as hard as it's ever been in Life on the Mississippi.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Decent priorities are often spun in negatives ways by those who oppose them. "Throwing money" and other such contemptuous characterizations of funding - whether at drug addiction or the Pentagon - always sounds like a bad idea.

    Achieving such goals demands expertise in a number of disciplines as well as the will to achieve them. "Can't do it!" is always true if one is determined not to try.

    Democrats winning back poorly educated Whites necessitates addressing those devilish details, not casually solved in a venue such as this. No one claims it's easy, just worth the effort.

    As for Trump's vision of health insurance that is "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" , I regard the reality of universal coverage that has been achieved by advanced nations the most economical, efficient approach. Advantaging economy of scale, eliminating the duplication of executive compensations, advertising and marketing costs, profit margins, agency overhead and compensation, maximizing the risk pool, standardization of the multiple corporate bureaucracies, etc.
     
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    A mathematician, a physicist and a statistician apply for a job.

    The interviewer asks the mathematician "How much is 2+2?" The mathematician starts scribbling furiously, and after 15 minutes replies

    "4"

    The interviewer asks the physicist the same question of the physicist. He whips out a slide rule, fiddles with it, and anounces

    "4.00215"

    Finally the interviewer asks the statistician.

    "How much is 2+2?"

    The statistician gets up, locks the door, draws the shade and whispers in the interviewer ear:

    "What do you want it to be?"

    --------------------------------------------

    I am also fond of the saying, "if you torture the data long enough it will admit to anything."
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Throwing money" at something doesn't mean that the goal is invalid. But it does imply what politicians do, often with little positive effect. This can be mitigated by keeping those decisions as close to home as possible, where expenditures come from real money that people are actually paying with. When people have actual skin in the game, money is spent more wisely.

    This is true. Most of what we want we can have. It is a matter of will.

    No, not easy. Those details are where agreement breaks down. I have, in the past here, suggested how to improve education and health care. Both suggestions actually pay for them.
     
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    America has about 100,000 miles of borders and 50% of all "illegal" immigrants arrived here LEGALLY. Ergo "locking the borders tight" is a massive waste of time and money since it is an impossible task.

    Anyone who breaks the law should be dealt with accordingly regardless as to the status.

    Ever bothered to figure out WHY there are sanctuary cities?

    What amendments are yoi proposing to the Constitution?
     
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    In other words you cannot prove your baseless and bogus allegation.

    Got it!
     
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    I never said anything at all about the SPLC.

    I pointed out correctly that your allegation is OUT OF DATE by 13 years in which a great deal has transpired.

    Where are your credible CURRENT statistics supporting your out of date allegation?
     
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    The way they always do, of course, by lying, fibbing, prevaricating, and making **** up.
     
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    Yep, yep... bend over and grab the ankles, America :)
     
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    Your capacity as self-appointed spokesperson for non-White Americans is seriously eroded by the reality that so many White, male Democratic candidates consistently receive the preponderance of votes of Black, Hispanic, Asian, and other non-White Americans.

    I have no idea what you base that upon, but would it not follow, if your pretense that Black Americans are duped by White Democratic politicians were correct, that Democratic politicians would want the State to seize control of the wombs that produce more Democratic voters, and prevent those women from exercising freedom of choice?
     
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    In other words you can't even provide anything substantive to support your own positions.

    Got it!
     
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    And I am asking you what you think has transpired.

    As for more current events, how about this one?

    "Seven Latino gang members have been charged with firebombing the homes of black families living in a Boyle Heights housing project, an attack that federal prosecutors allege was designed to drive African Americans out of the neighborhood.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ramona-hate-crime-20160707-snap-story.html
     
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    So all you have are disingenuous anecdotes and absolutely NOTHING in the way of CURRENT FACTUAL data to support your allegation.

    Got it!
     
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    I am not a self-appointed spokesman. I am an observer. I have given you some of the information I have gathered and my analysis of it. If you think I am unqualified to comment on racial politics because I am white, just say so. I am projecting a trend here based on the increasing emphasis on identity politics in the Democratic Party. Heck, there was a book written about it, The Emerging Democratic Majority.

    I am also noting the hostility between various constituents of the Rainbow coalition. I gave you a link that explains that. I didn't make it up. I don't think the SPLC did either.


    I base that on statistics. Trying to pander to different constituencies often engenders contradictions like we see here. That is the basis of my argument. Another fault line is the anti-Catholicism of white progressives and the deep Catholic faith of Mexicans. That one hasn't surfaced yet, but it might.

    Some Republican strategists push for peeling the Mexicans away from the Democrats based on their animosity towards blacks and their inherently conservative religious and social beliefs.

    They are not in the ascendancy at the moment, however.
     
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    Black, Hispanic, Asian, and other non-White Americans express themselves eloquently by the political affiliation they choose, hyper-partisan "observers" spinning it to fit their agenda notwithstanding


    Marching in lock step would be a troubling spectacle, just as, for the GOP, honorable Republicans such as Mueller, Comey, and others not kowtowing to Trumpery is healthy for their party.

    You still have not explained why Democratic politicians are not pushing for State seizure of the wombs of Black women, since their enjoying reproductive freedom for themselves reduces the number of Democratic voters.
     
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    And I am suggesting that might not last. I apologize if my observations don't fit in with your agenda. My agenda is white control. It does nothing to further that agenda to mischaracterize the opposition. It does nothing to further your agenda of defeating white power to paper over the differences.

    Now does it?


    Why would marching in lock-step be troubling?

    Sure I did. They have to mollify the feminist wing of the party. That leads to contradictions.
     
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    You can pontificate regarding your theories concerning Black, Hispanic, Asian, and other non-White Americans.

    The Democratic Party's goal should be winning back less-educated, older White males.
     

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