How Should We Respond to Foreign Attempts at Sowing Discord and Violence

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Meta777, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    So now we're only worrying about actual assasination attempts after the cold war, like what happened to Qadaffi?

    Why are we limiting it to assassination after the cold war?
     
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  2. Meta777

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    Haha, very funny. Fixed. Lol.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Don't know that I agree with that. I think any country, even powerful ones, can be susceptible to these sorts of things, especially when there is a focused and concerted effort to divide. But really, the designation of country type is somewhat arbitrary and irrelevant to begin with...

    Regardless of whether we think of ourselves as first-world or not, foreign nations trying to incite violence and division within our borders is a problem either way. The real question again, is what it is we should be doing about it...

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Use it how specifically? What will they do that isn't happening right now?

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Interesting insights, and I think you could be right about that.
    If wedge issues actually get definitively resolved, that means
    they can't any longer be used as conduits for stoking division.

    Actually there have been at least two recent instances where
    comprehensive immigration reform was sort of close to becoming law.

    There was the 2013 Senate comprehensive compromise bill.
    And more recently, the 2018 U.S.A Act championed by McCain and Coons. And let's not forget,
    if those aren't to one's liking, we've also got out very own politicalforum comprehensive consensus compromise
    (about halfway down the post).

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks for the suggestion, but if we just get rid of our CIA while every other country in the world,
    including Russia, gets to hold onto their various spying agencies, wont that just act to make us
    weaker and worse off comparatively speaking? I mean... maybe it would make more sense...
    if we were to instead enter into some agreement with the other major nations of the world
    that we would all discontinue our foreign spying outfits, or agree to stop having them
    engage in certain harmful activities, if others were to agree to the same.
    But if our country just gets rid of our CIA, and we're the only ones,
    and we just leave it at that. I don't think that's really going to help us...

    ...Maybe it gives us a little more moral high ground than we already have,
    though I would say that that's debatable, and at any rate,
    moral high ground alone does not stop Russia from trying to incite violence.
    If anything, getting rid of our CIA actually just makes it easier for them...

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Well said, I definitely agree that that ought to be a major part of the way forward here.
    Added to the list!

    -Meta
     
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    If it's being funded tax-free, revoke their status and ban the status for any organizations that employ the agitators for 5 years into the future. Inciting violence isn't a good reason to give these groups a favored tax status.

    Foreign actors caught disrupting our society should be denied access to our markets and financial institutions.
     
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    We could do a better job of educating people about our country and how it is designed to work. Some folks do not have a clue and therefore react to any and all trolling by outsiders and insiders who wish to sow discord.

    The rule of law, due process, how elections work, our Constitution, seperation of powers, how each branch of government works, etc.... these are all things that folks do not know.
     
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    If it's being funded tax-free, revoke their status. Inciting violence isn't the intent of
     
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    Both supported by Dems and blocked by Republicans
     
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    Blanket amnesty isn't immigration reform. Reagan trusted Democrats to lock down the border after his rendition of immigration reform and found out what most Americans now know. Don't trust people who are not trust worthy.
     
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    That is why Trump got a minority of the vote, mitchscove
     
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    1. DACA is certainly not blanket amnesty

    2. There are 11 million illegals. What do you propose we do with that many people?

    And what FAILED to happen after the Reagan Amnesty was a crack down on HIRING illegals. And why do you suppose that was?

    Could it have been the draw of cheap labor???
     
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    That's just an excuse. There weren't alot of illegals after the Reagan Amnesty. There was a message. Wait long enough and Uncle Sugar will not only stop chasing you down, but he will support you with welfare, free food, free housing. Hey, Democrats will even fight to prevent criminal illegals from being deported, they will issue voting credentials and credentials that enable illegals to kill Americans on the road. Democrats will harbor violent gangs who can then help themselves to anything they can steal, and allow them to buy guns so they can protect themselves from Americans who don't want their stuff stolen.
     
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    Anything and everything possible and necessary to remove them from the united states, since their presence itself is a crime.
     
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    Crack down on hiring illegals.
     
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    I notice you failed to answer the question during that unhinged rant.

    I'll ask it again

    2. There are 11 million illegals. What do you propose we do with that many people?
     
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    A "Final Solution" X 2?

    Their "presence" is a misdemeanor. Gonna send jay walkers to the ovens too?
     
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    Deport them. They are meddling in our lawmaking and elections. At 700,000 per district, they stack the House of Representatives and they meddle in Presidential elections by adding a minimum of 15 electors in states that harbor them. It's not the job of employers to investigate identity theft. When someone produces credentials to include an SS number, it's not up to the employer to detect whether or not they are real, stolen, or otherwise.

    We realize illegals are only here because Democrats are likely never again going to win a national election without illegal voters.
     
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    You can't deport ELEVEN MILLION PEOPLE

    Look what happened in Europe in the 30s and 40s.

    That was half that number

    There are virtually NO illegal voters. That claim is as stupid as claiming you can deport 11 million people
     
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    Yes...it is. And until that's done this problem will never go away.

    IF...IF...you could deport 11 million ****ing people...if you don't stop employers from hiring illegals...there will be 11 million more
     
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    Make the employer part of the resolution of the illegal worker problem.

    That will clear it up in two months.

    No, we can't deport 11 million people.
     
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    I started reading through that wall of text and then it hit me. As it appears more and more the blue wave, may end as a puddle of tears, liberals are looking for someone to blame. Its the Russians, AGAIN! I suppose they don't really have anyone else, with Feinstein hiring Chinese spies, we know liberals won't go in that direction...
     
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    For the last 80-something years Democrats embraced Soviet interference. Ted Kennedy met secretly with Soviets to undermine Reagan. Now the only reason they care is because Crooked Hillary lost the election. If Hillary had won, then the pigs in the Democrat party would have been fine and dandy with the Russkies as usual.
     
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