How the investigation to justify spying on the Trump campaign began

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Current Attorney General William Barr tasked US Attorney John Durham with finding the "genesis" of the Russia Probe, and this is what was uncovered:

    To get Title 1 approval to electronically spy on US citizen Carter Page on US soil, the FBI made assertions to the Court that Carter Page was a target of, or an agent of, a foreign power. The role Mr. Clinesmith played in this deception is detailed in the charging document.

    Why would the FBI want to spy on Carter Page? Because Carter Page had once been a volunteer on the Trump Campaign. The Title 1 Warrant allowed the FBI to electronically spy not only on Page, but on his associates and their associates. Most importantly, it gave the FBI a front row seat into the Trump Campaign.

    Does anyone here believe Mr. Clinesmith decided to falsify information about Carter Page all by himself? Not me. The Russia Hoax had moving parts all over the world.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ke...ty-in-durham-probe-read-the-charging-document
     
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    Obama/Biden's FBI may have been the most corrupt in US History. Comey also knew, all along, that Carter Page was a trusted CIA asset, who gathered information ON the Russians, for the US, and Comey signed all the early warrant applications that concealed this information from the Court.

    And you notice that none of the FISA judges have expressed any concerns that Comey deliberately concealed this key evidence that meant the warrant to spy on the Trump campaign would not have been granted.

    ABOUT THE ANTI-TRUMP DWEEB, KEVIN CLINESMITH
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    Kevin Clinesmith was an FBI lawyer, an assistant general counsel assigned to the Bureau’s National Security and Cyber Law branch in Washington, that supported FBI investigations, including Crossfire Hurricane.
    Clinesmith committed a felony when he altered an email from the CIA to say that Carter Page was NOT a CIA source, when in fact the email said Page WAS a CIA source, and submitted that fake document to the federal court in order to obtain a FISA warrant. That felony carries a five years prison term and the end of his legal career though the prison term could be significantly reduced in exchange for cooperation about crimes by other corrupt actors in Obama/Biden DOJ chain of command.

    Michael Horowitz’s 434-page report first revealed Clinesmith’s felony and documented far wider corruption within the Department of Justice. Lying Fake News Democrat Party reporters tried to downplay the significance of Clinesmith’s felony.

    Lying Fake News New York Times reporter Adam Goldman, who was previously awarded a Pulitzer for his role in spreading the propaganda of the "Russia collusion" crap, pretended that the felon Clinesmith had merely “made a mistake while trying to clarify facts for a colleague.”

    The Crossfire Hurricane team had already been notified by the CIA on August 17, 2016, before seeking any spy warrants that Page was a trusted CIA assett in Russian-related matters.
     
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    The Lying Fake News active co-conspirators in the Russia collusion hoax, tried to downplay the facts surrounding the hoax even when they must be conceded, such as when individuals involved plead guilty to crimes, or when reports from independent investigators catalog 17 major errors and omissions.
    Will Clinesmith implicate higher-ups in his felony?
    The Mob always took care of their felons, that kept their mouths shut. When he gets out of prison, he will have no legal career, but, if he keeps his mouth shut, the Democrat Party will make sure he is well taken care of.
     
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    TBH, the court should have never accepted a published report with anonymous sources as a basis for issuing the warrant. I have no idea their true reason for wanting a warrant against him to begin with.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Courts commonly accept worse evidence than this all the time.

    It really is often like a conveyor belt system, and they will not scrutinize the application for these warrants until long after the fact. That is, the system assumes trust in the person applying for the warrant, and they will rarely give it much scrutiny unless they later suspect something was wrong, with the idea that the person can always be punished then. Judges commonly don't really have the time to give all warrants much scrutiny, especially not before they are issued.

    However, they really should have demanded better evidence here, since it was so closely connected to an important Presidential political campaign. However, the way these broad open-ended laws are worded, a judge might not have even had an obvious indication the warrant could and would be used to allow what it did.
    Or of course the other possibility is it could have been a politically biased judge. But again, due to the nebulous nature of the law, the judge has plausible deniability that he knew or should have known there was a connection.

    The system relies on punishment after the fact, and that is exactly what is now happening here. However, that is so rare, and probably the only reason justice is happening was because they chose to do this against a political figure so high up. Had they done the same thing to, say, the political campaign of a representative for the state legislature, a big investigation would have never occurred.

    What happened here should be very illuminating for everyone of how the system works in general, with its inherent flaws.

    Virtually no judge anywhere has ever faced repercussions for signing a warrant he shouldn't have, and in fact it would simply not be pragmatic the vast majority of the time to hold the judge responsible. Something that the vast majority of the public probably would have trouble understanding.

    People assume the judge is in control. The judge doesn't have time to actually be in direct control, and practically has to delegate out his decision making responsibilities to other officials. Much like a king usually makes decisions based off what his advisers tell him, without knowing for sure whether everything they tell him is true or if they are correctly presenting him with the real situation.
     
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