How the Trump administration failed to protect America, a chronicle of missed opportunities, denials

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Whether or not Biden was wrong or right on this, it's a side show. There is the much greater issue of Trump's incompetence.
    I'm sorry, you have provided incontrovertible evidence that you do not know what 'hypocrisy' means.
     
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    That's your spin. He spoke of the "impeachment hoax" and then said "this is their new hoax". WHAT was "their new hoax"? The VIRUS was.

    And if I call YOU "insane", you would probably report the comment as violating forum rules, which it does. But you have a habit of sticking your foot in your mouth with "I don't expect a reply to this!" But here's my reply....
    "I don't need the numbers to double because of one ship," Trump said
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-visits-cdc-coronavirus

    Fauci, CDC, many of our top medical experts, journalists, politicians, attorneys.

    There you go again. Foot in mouth and laughing at yourself.
    "The media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn't have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad," Trump said on Wednesday.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...navirus-testing-makes-us-look-bad-2020-5?op=1

    Actually yes. You're referring to "cases per 100,000 of population". I said "we have more cases".
    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    You're not doing well. Maybe you should consider reading a little more carefully. :roflol:
     
  3. Arkanis

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    Almost all Western countries have done better than Trump.
     
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    Your quote; Show a quote from the CDC......

    I will!

    From Feb 12 to Mar 03, in an effort to slow the spread of Covid19, the CDC press released several “We may have to” measures, such as; closing schools, and CDC Nancy Messonier was the main health official who released them, and apparently, her Feb 25th press release was the one that plunged the stock market, and contrasted sharply with assessments from Trump, and other White House Officials.

    Thus, Google Nancy Messonier’s press realeases, like I did.

    Although she was telling the truth, the right-wing media believed she was biased against the President/she wanted to bring down Trump, because her brother “Rod Rosenstein”, the former Deputy Attorney General was a target of Trump’s attacks. We have many sick minds in this country, agree or disagree?
     
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    Not a "CRIME" though, unlike Clinton. And he was found innocent of abuse of power.
     
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    Let’s continue.....

    Once again, back in February, there were several warnings, mainly released by CDC Nancy Messonier;

    1. “At some point, we are LIKELY to see community spread in the U.S.

    2. “Covid19 spread in the U.S. is INEVITABLE”

    3. “Ultimately, we will see community spread in the U.S. It’s not a question of if this will happen, but when this will happen”.

    Thus, one indisputable fact: Knowing what we know now, she was 100% right.

    However, Messonier’s Fed 12th and Mar 03rd press releases revealed the main reason why our cumulative cases and deaths have surpassed many countries;

    Fed 12th; Messonnier stated “Covid19 test kits sent to States are flawed”

    Mar 3rd; “Many States are now testing, and reporting their own results”

    In other words, we had a few weeks of delays/back logging, and today, a majority would agree that said delays/backlogging significantly increased our Covid19 death toll.

    Next; Trump’s self-glorifying China travel ban
     
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    Not if you intend to vote for Biden over Trump. Those are our choices.
     
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    As usual you are exactly wrong. The US has a lower death rate per 100K people than nine European nations. Take out NY and it's imbecile governor and we'd be much lower still.
     
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    Don’t like Biden, Don’t like Trump.
     
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    Ask Vietnam. Or New Zealand. Or Greece.
     
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    Take out NY and its intl. airports, and most of their February’s 2 million + UNSCREENED Transatlantic revenue passengers would have landed in Boston....let’s be fair.

    NY Covid deaths per 1M pop; 1,542
    Mass; 1,024
     
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    And quite a few Eastern ones!
     
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    Are you sure about that?

    The rapid spread wasn't a result of bad tests.
     
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    Also true.

    Results; Trump’s 15 cases MINUS 15, PLUS 45, PLUS 90, and so on,
     
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    Is Mass 1,024 deaths per 1M pop higher or lower than Spain, Italy, Belgium, France, UK?
     
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    Or New York which accounts for over 20% of the deaths? I guess you give the USELESS Cuomo a free pass! :roflol:
     
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    He specifically said that the VIRUS was their new hoax? I wonder - will you be able to quote him?
    I can quote him referring to their politicisation of the virus right before he refers to a hoax! Would you like me to do that?

    What the hell are you talking about? I didn't call YOU insane! I was sarcastically referring to what you said that Trump said, as if it was true! As in, keeping a "cruise ship offshore because if it came to port, those sick people onboard would be counted among the sick and he didn't want the numbers to go up" is pretty damn insane! However, as you will see, you are HOPELESSLY wrong! :roflol:

    Okay, it's time to utterly destroy you with your OWN source! Your total FAILURE here starts with you thinking that Trump was referring to keeping the ship from coming into port. However, he was talking about not wanting to bring the Grand Princess cruise ship passengers onshore, as the Fox News article points out! There was an obvious risk that if passengers came ashore, they would infect other people, but I'm sure that you're smart enough to know that! Also, you seem to be under the impression that just because the ship was out at sea that the cases wouldn't be counted in the statistics! Strange!

    No sources to back up your claim? I'm pretty sure that Fauci of ALL people wouldn't have said something as politically charged as recommending that the government force private companies into production!

    Where exactly in that quote is he saying "he didn't want that number to go up" as you suggested in a previous post?

    Yes, and I said that you DON'T have more cases than any other country per million, which is the only intelligent way to look at the data! Or do you think that it's more intelligent to NOT do that?

    Oh but I'm doing VERY well and I'm doing PLENTY of reading, particular YOUR sources which I've successfully used to help destroy your argument! I really will be SHOCKED to get a reply to this one! :roflol:
     
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    Well your assumption was wrong. I simply made the case that no crime appeared in the articles of impeachment in response to @Statistikhengst who said that "the Democrats impeached him because he broke the law." Then you said to me "he wasn't impeached for breaking the law, he was impeached for 'abuse of power.'" So it looks like you two disagree with eachother on whether or not he broke the law!
     
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    Then why is he still in office?
     
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    Because a Republican controlled Senate did not muster the 67 votes needed to convict and therefore, remove him from office. He remains, however, for all of history, impeached. That stain does not go away, ever.

    Are you unable to read from the US Constitution how this all works?

    Are you trying to tell us that you are ignorant on this subject?
     
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    And you think that the Republican's were wrong to let him off I assume?
     
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    Capiche?
     
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    Deaths were happening across the world in January. You cannot deny that FACT.
    Trump, who proudly boasts of this every moment he can puff his chest up and do it, restricted some, but not all, air-travel from China in JANUARY 2020. That is a FACT.

    Since when does a US President only act on the advice of one organization?

    Also, the CDC also had a huge number of internal emails predicting that the pandemic would hit the USA hard.
    Also, Trump's chief economic advisor warned of a disaster as early as January 2020.

    So, FACTS FACTS FACTS.

    I know they seem to upset you, but FACTS FACTS FACTS.
     
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    What I think is, in this case. What has historically happened, however, is.

    I warned you at least 3 times on the big COVID-19 thread to not troll by asking taunting questions.

    You did not learn from that experience, I see.

    So, STRIKE 3.

    BYE BYE.
     

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