How to address the US murder rate...?

Looking at the FBI UCR numbers, 2011-2016, murders where the race of the offender is known...

White commit murder at a rate of 1.94/100k
Blacks commit murder at a rate of 13.62/100k
If blacks committed murder at the same rate as whites, the murder rate in the US would drop 45.6%, to under 2.0/100k

Why do black commit so many more murder per capita than whites, and what can we do to reduce this?

 

This topic is becoming a bit of a dead horse around here don't you think?

If you control for poverty, family stability, education, criminal behavior of relatives, and mental health of relatives you will find that the murder rate is connected to those factors, not race.

 

Only for those who don't really want to address the issue.

Please show this to be true.
Then, show how this explains the 7x difference in rates between whites and blacks.

 

I don't really have the interest to explain something this complicated to you given your tautological thinking patterns and rigid ideological dogmatism. Here are two studies if you really do want to learn more:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2003.tb01000.x/abstract

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00181-016-1160-y

 

We have spent way over a trillion dollars on poverty. What needs to be addressed is the attitude of the black family. The black family need both a father and mother, and they should promote staying in school and education.

 

There is nothing you can explain that I cannot understand.
Thus, I accept your concession.

 

You could add in here if the cities that have been run by democrats are left out, even the black murder rate is quite low. You can make a case for the fact that democrats give away programs to buy votes are to blame.

 

This likely involves the "family stability, education, criminal behavior of relatives" he spoke of, but is unable to illustrate.

For these to bring the black/white murder rates close to parity, these factors must apply considerably more often to blacks that whites. Why do you suppose blacks, considerably more often than whites, suffer from family stability issues, lack of education, and a greater incidence of criminal behavior of relatives, and what can we do to change this?

 

Families in general should promote education. Those that do tend to have more successful less racist children

 

Instead of paying folks to play nice, clearly that hasn't worked, I say we alter the incentive a little bit! Instead of paying everyone we just pay communities that statistically improve and eventually become crime free! Make it a community effort to police their own living quarters and the better they make it the more they receive.

I'm even willing to go as far as bonus bounty pay for those people that rule over gangs and the member too..

 

I am in no way attacking your intelligence. I can see you are a smart person. You could easily understand those studies I linked, but you won't read them and if you did you would dismiss them without trying to understand them.

 

There are actually a number of cities doing just this with a fair amount of success. Paying known criminals and likely murderers to refrain from criminal behavior. Richmond, CA is one that has had some success: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/health/cash-for-criminals-richmond-california/index.html

 

I've never been a fan of paying people to obey the law and otherwise behave like decent human beings

 

Correct for violence related to the warfare over profits from the prohibition of drugs and then recalculate.

 

Why? It has a lot to do with culture, black culture, which is a violent culture. But what caused the black culture to be so violent? Do the values and morals taught or not taught have anything to do with it? Yes, I have little doubt of that.

Perhaps they were so controlled as slaves that once they got freed by white people, they have been trying to make up for lost time in being able to express violence? Ok, this is tongue in cheek, so pay no attention to that.

So, it probably has a lot to do with the social conditioning of black culture. They are literally taught to be violent. That violence is the "go to" way to solve a problem with others.

You can take the boy out of the country, but you cannot take the country out of the boy. Likewise, you can take a black person out of the Hood, but you cannot take the Hood out of the black person. Well, sometimes you can, but it really depends upon the person.

Thing is, the only people who can solve this problem with black culture, are the black folks themselves. And a few of them are working on this and have worked on it for years. I don't see much progress though.

 

It’s a good question. I’ll try to give you some ideas this evening after work.

 

Mkay...

This illustrates a correlation; the OP asks for a cause.
Why are we to believe the lack of affluence and education leads to greater propensity to commit murder?
Are poor, less educated people inherently more likely to commit violent crime? If so, why?

 

Very true! Actually,

in most intercity communities the uneducated resent those trying to better themselves and those trying are singled out and belittled and in some cases endangered and killed!

The only way these hives will be purged is if the good people take back their own communities! The last 60 years have proven no amount of tax payer money or conventional law enforcement is going to change this, it must come from within!

Fire with fire!

 

Oh no! Your taking my post wrong I'm saying the pay goes to the extermination of the criminals! I don't believe in paying someone to be lawful as that just give the lawlessness a reason to be criminal!

 

Same, see post #18

 

Their culture was and is still under assault by the social controllers. Segregation forged their communities into strong, moral, productive islands of prosperity that threatened to outshine the white areas and make black americana The NEW Americana. The racists in positions of power couldnt allow this. Dependency programs, gangsta rap and drugs were force-fed into black communities to destabilize them and racially based 'mandatory minimum' laws were instituted to create a permanant prison culture.

 

One question; do you claim that the skin colour is what makes the difference?

Yes, or no?

 

I did not claim skin color makes the difference.

 

So, that's a no, then.

And which major studies on the causes of discrepancy in crime rates between different parts of the population have you read?

 

You'll note that I asked a question, not made a claim, of cause.
Can you answer the questions I asked?