How to end the shutdown.

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  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Last week, the press started to notice that security screeners at airports (who have been ordered to work without pay) are starting to call out in growing numbers.

    It's not too hard to see where this could end up.

    Indeed, signs are already there.

    "The Transportation Security Authority said it had closed a security checkpoint at BWI Marshall Airport Saturday evening because of a shortages of screeners.

    In a Twitter message sent Saturday evening the agency said it “will be exercising a contingency plan” at BWI “due to excessive callouts.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...5fed1b7a081_story.html?utm_term=.1015c338ae3b

    Right now, this is a somewhat local story involving one airport. It just happens to be one airport that handles about 35% of the domestic air travel in and out of the DC Metro area.

    Every day, approximately 2 million Americans fly, the vast majority on business.

    It would be perfectly resasonable at this point for any or all of these unpaid people (doing a very thankless job), to walk off.

    Public opinion would be firmly on their side.

    And they wouldn't have to go out at one time either.

    Anyone watching The Weather Channel these last few days can see that.

    Strike O'Hare and Midway for just one day, and the resulting cascade of cancellations and flight delays will spread to every airport in the country. It will take days to clear the backlog (having had some experience at being stranded myself...). At least a million people will face total cancellations or long delays in rebooking. Hotels, rental car companies and airport restaurants and bars will do well.

    But as the sales reps, consultant, technicians and managers who fly every day find thier work impeded or delayed, the pain will spread quickly, throughout the entire US economy.

    If not O'Hare, then Denver, Atlanta, Dallas/Ft Worth, Charlotte, Kennedy/LaGuradia or Logan, and they can cripple air transport. A rolling series of walkouts like this over several days would bring air travel to a virtual stop.

    And the captains of industry will be the ones howling. And none of them give a good damn about Trump's ridiculous wall.

    And the public won't blame the workers for staying home when they're not getting paid, either, no matter how hard Fox and the right wing noise machine tries to demonize them.
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Meh, any that do not show up should be fired. I am sure they have an attendance policy. Then just replace them.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    If we had an adult in the Oval Office here is how the shutdown would end.

    Statement from the POTUS. I am ending the shutdown while Democrat leadership and I resolve our differences over funding a border wall."
     
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    TomFitz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meh, maybe you'll sign up for a job screening luggage and smelling shoes for disgruntled air travellers for the promise of being paid later.

    Oh, and since the TSA is not funded, just who is supposed to do the hiring and training?
     
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    Or what about, the Dems giving in, and just call it a make work project.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    Or how about Don proclaiming........"I am ending the shutdown while Democrat leadership and I resolve our differences over funding a border wall."
     
  7. Polydectes

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    The TSA is worthless, a total failure and needs to be done away with anyway. If all that comes out of the shut down is the TSA is no more it will have been worth it.
     
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    Better yet abolish the TSA All they have done is make flying worse.
     
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    Democrat leadership is unwilling to resolve differences.

    You can't put that on Trump. He sat down with crypt keeper and she wouldn't budge.
     
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    Because why do you think they will work with him on funding the wall. At least we Dems have a passion for government make work projects.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Donor

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    As a prez you have to understand you can't always get what you want. You have to do what's best for the country and what the majority want, not what your base wants.
     
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    Simple (and perhaps a much better solution) to the "TSA" problem: turn airport security and the inspection of all travelers over to the U. S. military. Why do we need to spend over SEVEN BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR on a "TSA" bureaucracy?

    Now, don't everybody thank me at the same time....

    Teaser: if anybody's interested, I've got some excellent solutions for many of the country's other, more difficult problems, too....
     
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    The majority want illegal immigration to stop.
     
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    Your BLOTUS's wall will do virtually NOTHING to stop illegal immigration.
     
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    I am all for laying off all non essentials and slowly rehiring them as needed. For every 1 government worker that works there are like 5 that are a total waist.
     
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    Then we should tear down the walls we have like Beto says because they are a waist. Right?
     
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    Prove it!
     
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    Non sequitur!
     
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    Actually, Te, I'm encouraged to see that he's gotten off this "contiguous, ocean-to-ocean wall" thing that he specified in his Executive Order. If they use barriers in only the high-vulnerability areas, like San Diego, El Paso, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, Nogales, etc., the "wall" idea could be very effective -- when employed with the additional border patrol agents, the aerial surveillance drones, and anti-personnel devices that several of us have recommended.
     
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    I'll go slow for you...

    You said...
    So I said...

    Now... do walls prevent illegal immigration or should we just tear them down?

    If you don't want to address my points ignore my post because I will report you for troll/stocking if you try to just shout me down with meaningless one liners.

    Do walls prevent illegal immigration? Yes or no.
     
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    From the Art of the Deal:
    "I never get too attached to one deal or one approach...I keep a lot of balls in the air, because most deals fall out, no matter how promising they seem at first."
     
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    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Cy, but there are already walls and/or barriers in all of the places where they are effective.

    The BLOTUS, in his abject IGNORANCE, believes that a continuous wall is the solution when it is not.

    That he has changed his tune is typical of him failing to admit that he was WRONG.

    There was bipartisan legislation in the Senate that would have done everything that was needed to secure the border and deal with issues like DACA.

    The GOP OBSTRUCTED it because they didn't want it to be signed into law by Obama! :eek:

    That kind of petty partisan bovine excrement is why we are where we are now.

    The BLOTUS just needs to **** and end the government shutdown and allow the ADULTS to resume running the nation.

    I have no patience for his temper tantrums, hissyfits, foot stomping, lying on the floor screaming his fat ass off because he can't have what he wants.

    Screw the BLOTUS and his moronic wall.

    Our nation DESERVES far better than what it has right now in the Oval office and I am getting to the point where I would like to see him removed from it in an orange jumpsuit and restraining irons.

    Even Ayotollah Pence would be a slight improvement over the current Toddler-in-Chief.
     
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    The point was that the majority want illegal immigrant to stop. Funding the wall shows that our government is not just giving lip service to it. I agree that it is not the most effective use of resources, but he is arguing with one wing of the dem party that is ok with taking service dollars out of native and legal immigrants and giving them to illegals at the same time. That wing of the dem party is not the party that I grew up with for 65 years.

    The leadership of both parties have disowned the middle 2/3rds of America. The dems to buy votes of the hispanic population like they bought votes from the Black leadership, and Trump who appeals to white american fears that our culture is being usurped.

    I don't understand why both parties can't end this by a National ID card that is used for employment, I/10 the cost of this portion of the wall. bar code federal ID database with our picture and SS number embedded. They will emigrate back on their own accord. These jobs will now be taken by native workers and legal immigrants and put a cramp in the underground economy.
     
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    Build it higher then.
     
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    As I mentioned above there was a BIPARTISAN bill in the Senate that would have sorted out all of the immigration issues but it was obstructed by the GOP.

    Yes, the Dems are playing politics because it seems to be the only thing that the GOP wants to do.

    Yes, the Exhausted Majority have had more than enough of this crap and want it to end. The Progressives took a big step in that direction in the Midterms. I hope they continue to push throughout the 116th Congress to make those changes a reality for We the People.

    The BLOTUS is NOT helping make that happen by behaving like an ill mannered 3 year old overdue for a nap.
     

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