How to end the shutdown.

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt Nancy Pelosi would accept Trump doing that.

    The Democrats agenda is OBSTRUCTIONISM.

    Nancy and the Democrats are quit clear that illegal aliens are more important than federal workers or Americans on food stamps.

    FYI:
    Liberals have opposed border security since 1986 and only have one agenda, open borders and amnesty.

    Add allowing cop killers out of jail.
     
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    What do you expect from people who claim that blue lives matter is racist.

    Democrats care more about a foreign journalist killed in a foreign country by foreigners than they do an American cop killed in America by foreigners. They never held any special hearings for the cop. I don't even think they made any statements.
     
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    Change the Constitution to reflect that only those born of citizens are automatically a citizen. Create easy to get, use, and check, work visas and make them plentiful. Require a letter or some proof of a job, sent by employers to the fed gov't or USPS. Make these mailable to foreign workers. Stop sending workers back. Send them to prison instead. As a consequence of crossing illegally, do not ever allow them to vote. Send only mothers and their minor children away.

    Charge employers for not reporting these workers. Make them pay a fine high enough that it is a deterrent. Make it on a schedule based upon the salary paid and rising as salary rises. Send multiple offence employers to prison, so as to cripple their businesses.

    Do all of the things necessary to make it less attractive to come here illegally. Then, spend money on securing the border and ports with confiscated drug money.
     
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  4. Observing

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    We the people do not want Illegals, what is the progressive's solution to the problem of 12 mill illegals in the country, taking jobs away and needed social benefits away from natives and legal immigrants alike. We know what trump and his followers want, they want all illegals removed, What is the progressive side?
     
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    No, the constitution does not need to be changed. YOU ARE BORN HERE YOU ARE AN AMERICAN! This does not mean your parents can not be deported and you with them. They broke the law coming here and should be sent back. If they want to give the child up for adoption or give it to child services, we as a nation need to support that child. If the child returns to his parents homeland, the child may return at any time.

    I don't want to jail anybody that is willing to go back, The costs associated with this is just too great. If they refuse to say where they came from, then the father goes to jail, if no father then mother and the child gets taken into child services.

    As far as Visas go I am with you, and with H2A visas, I think workplace laws should be strengthened so that these migrant workers have decent living conditions, we can all pay a nickle more for our food. It is a disgrace how these hardworking people get abused by agri-business.

    A national smart ID card and jail employers, INCLUDING professional women who have illegals as nannies and maids. Federal block grants for education, police, health, etc based on Americans citizens served not "people". If the states choose to pony up for known illegals, I can see state rights, but let them answer for it locally.
     
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    In the United States, we do not use the military for law enforcement, except in instances where local leaders defy Federal law.

    I realize that all the armchair pseudo facists worshipping at the Trump cult of personality have trouble understanding that.

    Just as most of us know that had Obama made such a proposal, folks like you would be screaming about police states and "defending the Constitution".
     
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    There is no point in trying to negotiate with someone who consistantly bargains in bad faith, lies and betrays his partners.

    Donald Trump has steadily squandered both the credibility of his office and the bully pulpit.

    And, of course, you deliberately leave out the fact that the only time Democrats were willing to support any wall was if DACA was restored, something Trump has no intention of doing. Yes, he talked about a "three year extension". But that is both another band aid solution to a problem Trump created, and a promise Trump can't be trusted to honor.

    The key here is that Trump cannot be trusted.

    The only people willing to risk their political capital on a scumbag like Trump are folks who are afraid of his angry white base. Which, as the polls clearly indicate, are a dwindling minority.
     
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    Are you really so buried in the BS that you don't know the Dems have no intention of resolving anything?
    Not just about the wall- but about anything that Trump endorses?

    If Trump concedes on this current standoff without reasonable compromise, the Dems will know that they can run over everybody. God knows they are already trying their best, and a sizeable portion of our population is so immature they have no idea what the consequences of that are.
    You simply cannot allow the people without morals or honor to control the future- and everybody, republicans and democrats or anything else will all suffer alike if that happens. Everyone will suffer, even you- but of course you won't know it until they have you hog-tied.

    We're not to far from lock and load here.
     
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    The Constitution does need changed, since we cannot follow what they meant. We don't understand that what I posted, is what they meant. So, let's clarify for the sake of our nation. You, under today's mistaken understanding, are considered a citizen.

    No, they cannot give that child up for adoption. They take it with them on the way out of the country. The father stays and spends his time and hers in a prison cell.

    Of course, employers who have illegals as maids and nannies must be fined and placed in prison for their treasonous actions. Those criminals need to be stopped.

    No federal grants. States can supply their own residents.

    Since it is a national issue, the federal government will take care of prosecution and justice. It is not a state issue.
     
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    Bounties would work..
     
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    My understanding is that current law is that those who get caught just get processed and deported, and it's only if they come back again and get caught that they get jailed.

    The exception would be if they're waiting for an exception claim to be processed so that they might be allowed to stay, after having entered the country illegally.
    Unfortunately the children are held in detention too if their parent is waiting and won't give consent for them to be returned to family members back in the country they came from.
     
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    "You simply cannot allow the people without morals or honor to control the future- "

    Donald Trump is the poster child for that fact, and he reinforces the point every single day.

    And why is it that you right wingers are always the first to run to statements like this:

    "We're not to far from lock and load here"

    Is democracy too challenging to you????
     
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    Prevent as in totally stop, of course not. It's a matter of (1) sending a message, and (2) resistance to efforts to breach the wall.

    If you have a 4 ft chain link, you discourage the neighbors from moseying across your yard uninvited. Still, some will hop the fence.
    On the other hand, if you have an 8 ft chain link with razor wire on top, the message is much stronger- and few people will be ignoring it; you are down to dedicated thieves on criminal missions.
    If you have electric wire on insulators above that, even fewer ignore it.
    If the fence is 20 ft high, tough and equipped with razor wire.... even fewer.

    It is a matter of reduction. Bank vaults aren't impenetrable either, but you don't leave your cash lying on the porch do you?
     
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    Training? Hahaha! Any TSA agent who does show up. There will be some. Promise them a bonus after shutdown is over.
     
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    We get tired of the adult children telling the grown ups what idiots they are. Unfortunately their parents failed to teach them how to me men and women, so now we have full adults thinking like 14 year old jackasses and telling themselves they are wise. That is not democracy- it's juvenile delinquency in a full-grown person that has no self-respect or values, demanding the world adjust to their demands by throwing tantrums and insults.

    I'm thinking we should spank their parents first for not teaching them responsibility and respect for others. Then, we spank the offensive jackasses themselves.
     
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    Having made a fool of yourself by declaring them worthless, and suggesting that everyone be fired, now you've reversed course and want to hand out bonuses for working for no pay.

    Got any other half baked notions?
     
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    Ideas in general are not bad but you cannot use legal anti-personnel devices on the U.S./Mexican War. Whether you believe it should be or not, breaking in to the United States in order to make money is not a death penalty level offense.
     
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    ", so now we have full adults thinking like 14 year old jackasses and telling themselves they are wise. That is not democracy- it's juvenile delinquency in a full-grown person that has no self-respect or values, demanding the world adjust to their demands by throwing tantrums and insults"

    Once again, an accurate description of Donald Trump.
     
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    Totally.

    Why shouldn't we protect our country like the rich protect their communities?

    A bank vault helps prevent burglary

    A wall helps prevent illegal entry
     
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    Trump just needs to drop funding for The Wall as a precondition for reopening the Gov't.

    Problem solved.:salute:
     
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