How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Meta777, Aug 4, 2018.

  1. yguy

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    Which of course is irrelevant to living fetuses.
    More to the point, certain people haven't got a clue about the nature of human consciousness.
    It means bacteria have such consciousness as is possessed by bacteria, just as a hearing fetus has such consciousness as is possessed by human beings.
     
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    funniest thing I have read in years!!.
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  3. yguy

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    What would really be funny is if you tried to find specific fault with any of it. :wink:
     
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    We already have government control over child-rearing, to some extent.
    Why do you have a problem with control over reproduction?

    The government can take a child away from a woman but she can pop out as many children as she wants? Or choose to terminate them before they can pop out.

    Sorry, sexual reproduction has consequences.
     
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    That's an excellent point!
    We have sumptuary/sin taxes applied to regulate the consumption of many things, based on the possible financial burden they may place upon society, primarily health care and especially when it is government funded.
     
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    What exactly is your point? That we should force abortion upon women when they have a fetus inside them that may be born with disabilities?
     
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    :) If it's not part of her body then it should be easily taken out and set on a shelf to grow on it's own ….




    Women should have the right to take foreign objects out of their bodies, the same right that you have.




    And it's funny how you've been shown all this and told all this and have lost all the arguments on this and yet you keep posting the same old crap...…..I would think someone would have to be paid to do that....;)



    And your little cartoon doesn't address the other posts you HAVE to ignore , like post 76....:)

    See, it shows you not only have wrong answers but in most cases, NO answers :)
     
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    Why not?

    Anti-Choicers want to control women by taking away their rights to their own bodies.

    Once women lose the right to their own bodies the next step is limiting who has children and forced abortions ….



    You should be happy if that happens ...once women are nothing more than cattle they are nothing more than cattle and those in power can then force them to abort..


    That's the world YOU want...
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    That's what Anti-Choicers want, government control of reproduction.





    OMGAWD! You don't know the difference between child REARING and gestation !!!!





    And YOU don't ??? So it's OK with YOU if women are forced, by the father or the government , to have an abortion.....YOU want the father and the government involved Well that means INVOLVED both ways :)





    Well , according to you the father and government can force her to abort ….:)




    Oh wow, how deep and original a thought....not...:roll::roll::roll:

    Sorry, sexual reproduction doesn't have the consequences YOU prescribe :)
     
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    Only that people exercise responsibility for their actions.
    Are you saying that I misinterpreted your point?
     
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    Hey folks, sorry that I sort of, um... abandoned this thread after posting it.
    Lot's of stuff going on.... and... oh! This thread is already at 5 pages?
    For some reason I didn't expect it to be so popular....
    But I guess this is a topic that folks like to talk about.

    Anyways, after skimming through the replies so far, I think I should post a reminder...
    Please try to keep discussion here civil. I know this is a passionate subject,
    but there's really no reason to be accusing folks you disagree with of
    being and or believing this that and the other....

    -Meta
     
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    Lifestyle abortions should be paid for be the person (With a scheme to lend them money ala student loan style) only Exceptional cases funded by government.

    Better contraception availability, ~50% of women that abort one baby will have a repeat abortion these are a good area to concentrate on improving contraception.
     
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    As expected, there were ideas suggested which were from either extreme,
    though using different, but in my opinion equally bad arguments, compared to what I laid out in the OP.
    You got your week 0 conception arguments of course, and then the ones for allowing abortion up till birth.
    But... even the more middle-of-the road suggestions given so far aren't really that great.
    Week 12 was suggested, but no reason was given for why. :/
    And Week 24 Viability was suggested, which actually seems like a pretty reasonable cutoff,
    but the reasoning given there was basically... 'because that's what the law says'....

    Really guys? C'mon, I know you folks can do better than that.
    But I guess I can't bash on your suggestions too hard, I mean... at least a few of you tried. :/
    And besides, its not as if I've gotten around to posting my own thoughts on the matter yet.
    And lol, maybe this is just a continuation of my own foot-dragging, but I'm kind of tired today,
    I'll try and post my suggestions sometime tomorrow (assuming nothing else comes up).

    -Meta
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterm_birth
    I think this is where 24 weeks come from I'd say it's a little late drop it to 20 weeks except in extreme circumstances.

    The earliest surviving baby is just over 21 weeks
     
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    The OP title appeared to make a statement, not a question, claiming "How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate"
    I would appear it only has increased the debate leaving the issue to be unresolved, and in my opinion one which cannot be resolved in a way acceptable to ALL.
    I would be most interested to find ONE major issue that the vast majority of voters would like our elected politicians to direct their attention to resolving and concentrate on how it could be accomplished in a rational and reasonable way acceptable ALL, left, right, progressives, liberals, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, etc. Instead we seem to be more intent on keeping issues which are less likely to be resolvable in the forefront to divide voters for the benefit of the political parties.


     
  17. FoxHastings

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    WTF is a "lifestyle" abortion ? Some stupid trendy new term that means nothing?

    Abortion is a legal medical procedure and should be paid for exactly like any other medical procedure..
     
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    NO! The law was a compromise to help make abortion legal....wouldn't have needed a law at all but it was forced by Anti-Choicers but VIABILITY CAME BEFORE ANY LAW.




    It's because a fetus is VIABLE at 24 weeks and all throughout this thread I had to explain what VIABLE MEANT...and some still don't get it.

    V I A B L E means the fetus is able to live outside the woman without artificial means, ...how many times shall I type that ???


    THAT is why it was agreed on as the cut off point...and I posted that probably several times in this thread alone..








    Uh YA! You shouldn't bash anything you can't respond to....



    Suggestions for what???
     
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    The issue has been resolved, abortion is legal and women have the same right to their own bodies as men do....
     
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    Any earlier than 24 weeks depends on the specific fetus's size and development.

    Premature babies cost LOTS of money so if abortion was ever banned then the state(taxpayers ) should have to pay every penny that's spent to keep it alive..
     

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