How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    No one is arguing to reverse the law on murder or rape, but you aren't arguing to reverse the law on abortion, one of the reasons being that it wouldn't stop abortion even though it is no different to rape and murder in that a law against it wouldn't stop all occurrences. Wouldn't you agree?
     
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    And this applies to those who refuse to provide care for precious little BORN lives?
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are those who claim to care, and there are those providing care.
    There are those who talk, and there are those who do.
     
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    I didn't say you admitted to anything.

    You keep imagining that I say stuff I didn't say. This has to be at least the 10th or 12th time.

    It's almost like reality didn't work for you and you have to resort to dishonesty.
     
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    And which are you?

    How many causes do you say you support compared to how many you truly deeply sacrifice for?

    I'm guessing not many, if any.
     
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    I agree 100%! So what you said DOES apply to those who refuse to provide care for precious little BORN lives?
     
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    Oh absolutely. Ideally it would be charities, but where charities are insufficient, government should step in. To not think that government should step in would be an outrageous position.

    Why was it a silly question?

    What did I say to make you think that?
     
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    Anyone can determine that rapists aren't valuable to society.

    Yes, family and friends.
     
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    I didn't say that, I said ,
    FoxHastings said:
    Who TF are you to determine what "society" values ?


    Exactly , so everyone has their own idea of "value"....and who they place it on...
     
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    Banning abortion does not stop all abortions.


    Now, the dishonesty of comparing abortion with heinous crimes like rape and murder is getting a little sickening.

    Rape and murder, if unchecked, cause chaos in society.

    Abortion does NOT.


    Banning abortions does not stop all abortions BUT it does stop humans' right to their own bodes....so I guess if it's banned it's OK to rape and kill women since they wouldn't have the same rights men have ??????

    they would have less rights than fetuses and men...


    Is that what you want?
     
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    I support many worthy causes, but lets stick to the abortion topic. You can't change the law, but you can change lives if you really wanted to. Its easy to point a righteous finger at others and insist they carry the burden you are unwilling to carry. The problem is that wearing pro-life T-shirts and entering text on forums do nothing for those you claim to care about. I am sure you care and have good intentions.

    My other daughter used to tell me how seeing abandoned animals made her sad. I asked her what she was willing to do about it and a few days later, she had a list. She donated her birthday to an animal rescue. Instead of presents, she asked for donations. She was only 9 or 10 at the time. Then she started bringing animals home. At one time, we had 7 dogs and 9 cats. It was hard work taking care of them, but she did it. She is currently a vet tech at an animal hospital and is going to school to be a veterinarian.

    My kids never got participation trophies and never got away with claiming to care about something unless they were willing to do something about it.
     
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    This is going nowhere. Bye.
     
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    There you go personifying zygote. Why don’t you make it a toddler so you can get yourself more emotional. No one rips off arms and crushes heads when something is 1/10 of 1 ounce. There is no neurological connections.
     
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    I nominate this for the silliest post . Yes I really don’t care about female zygotes. Hey the other half of zygotes would have been men and so doesn’t that mean I hate men too? Lol Well I guess millions of them might have been abusers and murderers and Hitler’s and drug dealers etc. why do you love them so much? See I can say inane things also...
     
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    You said You are opposed to government paying for abortions. The only time abortions are paid for is it to save women’s lives or an emergency medical condition. I guess you’re also not aware of that most anti-choice people are the same ones who complain over and over about having to support poor children
     
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    It is very sad when you can’t comprehend that a zygote is not a child anymore than an acorn is an oak tree
     
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    So what?

    A 1 year old isn't a 2 year old. That doesn't make the one that old less human
     
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    Does a month old acorn make it an oak tree? A zygote is not a child
     
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    NO one said it did....
     
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    Squirrels have been performing oak tree abortions all along!!! Damn squirrels!
     
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    It is a medical certainty that a zygote is a living human being.

    Do you support the right to kill non-zygotes?
     
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    Well no I didn't actually. Here is the post of mine that you responded to:
    Where in that do I say that I am "opposed to government paying for abortions?" I was just asking a question.
     
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    Uh, yes, I said that in the very post that you quoted! "No one is arguing to reverse the law on murder or rape, but you aren't arguing to reverse the law on abortion, one of the reasons being that it wouldn't stop abortion even though it is no different to rape and murder in that a law against it wouldn't stop all occurrences."

    Like I said, abortion IS murder according to some pro-lifers. And as for rape, the only similarity that it shares with abortion is that,
    like murder, a law against it wouldn't stop all occurrences. I am not equating rape and abortion.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Banning abortion does not stop all abortions.




    Then why are you responding again???






    That is completely and totally irrelevant to rights and laws. Anti-Choicers can rant and babble all they want but abortion is not murder and they have never proven it is except in their " minds".








    Then quit talking about rape and murder with abortion.




    However, If Anti-Choicers want to talk about rape, THE VIOLATION OF WOMENS' RIGHT TO HER OWN BODY I will certainly compare that to banning abortion.






    Rape and murder are heinous CRIMES that cause chaos in society if left unchecked.

    Abortion is not and does not.
     
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    I don't have a problem with those who refuse to care for children. Most of them shouldn't have kids anyway. The point that got you started running around in circles was that those claiming to care about these precious humans, only seem to care when it is in the womb and requires no effort on their part. Once the baby takes a breath and 25-30 of parenting is required, they are nowhere to be found. That means that their claim to care is nothing more than projecting a self-image. I know that being exposed is not pleasant, but I hope you consider doing something to help children. I grew up without a father, but I had a positive male roll model from an organization called Big Brothers. He made a big difference in my life.

    You don't have to adopt to make a difference.
     
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