How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change

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    Yes.. the Red Sea to Dead Sea canal will do exactly that. Replenish the Dead Sea and the 1300 foot fall will generate electricity and drive desalination.

    Its actually a brilliant project even though the Israelis fought it for a while.

    And, its NOT reverse osmosis desal which is poor... it will be true desalination like what the Saudis have been doing since 1960.
     
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    Addendum:

    Although I am a suburbanite in Newport Beach, California
    I do co-own 2 ranch properties. Not big, productive ranches, but ranches.
    One between Visalia and Sequoia Nat'l Park and one up by Redwood Nat'l Park just north of Eureka.
    I have come to know gun owners and ranch people and never met one who was irresponsible about guns nor didn't have the utmost respect for the land.
    Sometimes old timers do take matters into their own hands, like shooting a marauding bear before they received a proper certificate to shoot that particular marauding bear. The old timer would haul the bear up a road and drop it off a cliff we named, "Bear Drop Point".
    With the drought, bears were coming all the way into town. There was a let and let live attitude as long as no damage was done. The bears seemed to "get it".

    Some years ago a "newbie" complained about such a point, and a few years later
    complained the bear was making it further down the valley/river to their property. ;)
    The old timers were those whose family use to own the whole valley and peaks are named after cousins.
    They kept the bear from going down the valley because their remaining property was the gateway.

    And to take out some wild pig destroying a pasture was a local feast. Skinned, cleaned, and neighbors called to enjoy some too. And they did.

    What I have experienced is far from any media portrayal I have witnesses.
    Except for, maybe, "An Unfinished Life". Robert Redford, Jennifer Lopez.
     
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    It takes roughly two productive acres of pasture per calf/cow. You’re talking roughly 40k plus acres. Probably a lot more most places to exclude water, timber etc.
     
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    I'm guessing you can place a million heads of beef in a desert and all of them will die! The only way to green a desert is to have water and topsoil and applicable weather, and if this can be accomplished you can then incorporate animal grazing. But don't forget that livestock are also huge methane contributors...
     
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    The land needed per head varies from place to place and climate plays a major role. It can also depend on what the cattle graze on. Marshall ryegrass is much better grazing than fescue. Good soil good grasses can increase the amount of cattle per acre. Round here they say one head for 1and a half acre.
     
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    It was a rough approximation and you're right. Lots of variables but I think 1.5 acres is a decent number for cow/calf in decent pasture. SW TX would be vastly different.
     
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    SW Texas is very dry. Cattle take much more acerage per head. But what I think the article is expressing the value of manure , urine, and saliva in land management.
     
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    [QUOTE="politicalcenter, post: 1068329429, member: 52324"]SW Texas is very dry. Cattle take much more acerage per head. But what I think the article is expressing the value of manure , urine, and saliva in land management.[/QUOTE]

    That was the point. :)
     
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    There are plans for a Red Sea to Dead Sea canal.. The drop into the Dead Sea is over 1300 feet. The plan is to use it to generate electricity and desalinate water.
     
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    There are plans for a Red Sea to Dead Sea canal.. The drop into the Dead Sea is over 1300 feet. The plan is to use it to generate electricity and desalinate water.
     
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    Other ranchers PAY their grazing fees and move their herds to save grassland rather than over grazing it. Bundys do neither.
     
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    tHEY DID SUCH A FINE JOB WITH THE sALTON sEA.
     
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    Seriously girl?

    You know exactly what's going on , by the way you post..your extremely intelligent like me
     
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    Yes, seriously.
     
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