How to make President George H. W. Bush happier in the afterlife?

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Can positive words on earth draw a soul out of Purgatory into Paradise?

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  3. I don't believe in an afterlife, our soul goes into total non-existance at death.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Based on what I have read about near death experience accounts since 1990 I believe that you and I can make George H.W. Bush very happy...... and draw him closer and closer to his Creator..... by what we talk about in our day to day affairs...... and of course by what we pray about at this time. My recommendation to make him happier and happier and happier in the afterlife ..... is to say positive things about his son....... George W. Bush...... who may perhaps have actually responded brilliantly to the likely results of a general Global Warming trend..... by deciding to listen to his advisors who suggested that he deliberately use The Global Dimming Effect to delay and delay and delay and delay a general Global Warming Trend.

    The Global Dimming Effect is based on the fact that Global Cooling is set in motion after a major volcanic eruption. Do a search for the "Little Ice Age" to verify this. Allowing factories to spew lots and lots of ash, soot and dirt........... (along with their CO2)... can actually cool the climate over the short term and it seems as if President George W. Bush may have brilliantly decided on that policy....... and the case can be presented that HIS POLICY WORKED!

    President George H. W. Bush is even more interested in what is said about his son........ than what is said about him himself....... so if we start talking about the possibility that perhaps his son may have set in motion a series of events that may have saved America from the threat of rising ocean levels ...... we can draw President George H. W. Bush up out of "Purgatory" (if Pope Francis is actually correct about that idea)....... because high political office requires of us the making of decisions that do tend to put us in danger of going toward feelings of shame and guilt during our Life Review with the Being or beings of light of near death experience fame.

    As you pray for the soul of President George H. W. Bush...... please play around with the idea of thanking G-d for the way that President George H. W. Bush and his wife raised their son so that he would have the wisdom to deal brilliantly with the very, very real threat of rapidly rising ocean levels during his time in office and up until now (because frankly President Obama wisely decided to continue with his policy once how it worked was explained to him by his advisors). There is evidence that indicates that the G-d of Abraham uses Applied Multiverse Theory to lead more and more and more of us to salvation / paradise / heaven. A study in para-psychology that most experts will write off as pseudo science indicates that about fifteen percent of America could have been underwater by January 1, 2013...... (which actually could in theory have happened if Mr. Al Gore had been elected President in the year 2000). Mr. Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" in my opinion was well done......but he told us nothing about how a badly planned carbon tax that negates the Global Dimming Effect can set in motion rapid Global Warming.... which could have set in motion rapid cracking and sliding of ice off the land based Greenland Ice Pack and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. Mr. Gore also tended to overlook the most obvious response to a general Global Warming trend....... large scale desalination of ocean water to turn deserts green as proposed by New Mexico biologist and coach Mr. Carl Cantrell:

    Carl Cantrell:
    Did President Bush respond brilliantly to Global Warming?




    Pres. George HW Bush buried at presidential library

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    The map above is based on this research:


    Dreams of the future : Chet Snow and Helen Wambach

    The CIA and NSA advisors to President George H. W. Bush knew all about these mass dreams of the future and they advised both President George H. W. Bush as well as his son President George W. Bush how the negative impact of rising ocean levels could be minimized up until now but.........
    we cannot depend on the amount of H2O being added to Antarctica to save the coastal regions of America, Canada and the world for much longer.

    How much longer will central Antarctica save our coastal communities?


     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Discussion of a workable plan to bring genuine peace into the Israeli - Palestinian conflict by negotiation of a deal with the nation of Jordan will make President George H. W. Bush happier in the afterlife as well.

    The Petra - Project is the most promising proposal that I have read about so far:

    Sigmund Ivarsson's Petra Project for Israel, Jordan and The Palestinians.

    SigmundHIvarsson wrote:
    Sigmund's plan is for a nine meter wide tunnel to be drilled from somewhere out in the Mediterranean Sea near Tel Aviv. The tunnel should be about seventy kilometers long and go to somewhere near the Dead Sea. Hydro- electric power can be generated as the water descends 1232 feet below sea level. A facility similar to Sorek could be built where the sea water comes out so that it can be desalinated on a massive scale. If I remember correctly it should take about two hundred million cubic meters of ocean water to the Dead Sea annually.

    Sigmund has stated that the Israeli Knessett are very very unlikely to agree to this
    UNLESS the nation of Jordan agrees to give the Orthodox Jewish Sanhedrin permission to
    build their Jerusalem Third Temple on the Temple Mount... near the Gihon Spring which is a comfortable distance away from either the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Dome of the Rock.



    Sanhedrin Urges Candidates for Jerusalem Mayor to Prepare for Third Temple
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    Former US CIA Director George H.W. Bush may have a difficult time in the after life since we are judged by our actions and considering that while he was Reagan's Vice President and then US President, Bush's CIA is responsible for more that 200,000 deaths in the 1981 to 1989 Contra Wars.

    Just during the first eight years of Bush's CIA Contra wars Fr. Miguel D’Escoto, a Catholic priest who was Nicaragua’s Foreign Minister under the Sandinista government in the 1980s reported that some 70,000 Contra political killing in El Salvador, just about 100,000 in Guatemala, and yet another 30,000 to 50,000 killed in Nicaragua. Many of these political killings were of poor peasant Catholic Christians in those countries. The Contra Army was trained at the School of the Americas in the art of sexual mutilation as torture. There is nearly an entire media blackout of the persecution of Catholic Christians in Latin America by H. W. Bush.

    And guess what? It is still going on now just as then. Thousands of Latin Americans are fleeing north to the US to escape death and torture.

    Nearly all American Christian Churches are silent about this American/Contra war crime.

    Below is the video of Father D'Escoto discussing the American-Contra Inquisition of Catholic Christians in Latin America.
    Fr. Miguel D’Escoto Speaks From Nicaragua
     
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    Yes...... he will face significant guilt.......
    I just heard this for the first time today and I think I listened to this about five times already.... I was shocked!

     
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    I am so glad there is at least one true Christian so where, I was getting worried.

    Wearing the blood stained belt wore by Archbishop Oscar Romero when US CIA backed assassins murdered him, Pope Francis declared Archbishop Romero a martyr in 2015, and then a Saint in 2018.

    I wonder how H.W. Bush will explain to the Lord why he had Salvadoran Archbishop Óscar Romero assassinated during a Catholic Mass. It is difficult to believe how both H.W Bush and Saint Romero could both be in Heaven (Oops, almost didn't capitalize Heaven). If g-d is a Just g-d, one of them would have to go to that other place.

    Vatican Canonizes Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero, Who Was Killed by a U.S.-Backed Death Squad
     
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    After seeing the first video... I decided to watch this one as well......

    pretty shocking information.......


     
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    Doesn’t that strike you as an irrational and corrupt system? Famous people get better afterlives because lots of people will pray for them while equally worthy “normal” people suffer because only a handful of people even know anything about them?
     
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    Actually..... now that I got a lot more information on all this over the last twenty four hours........
    I am reminded of another warning:

    Matthew 19:24 "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

    I do believe that the ultimate will of G-d for all of us to lead us to genuine repentance......


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h

    But G-d simply will not attempt to dwell with us if we are PROUD!!!!

    We need to remember that fact!

    Isaiah 57:15 "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

    Any genuinely repentant and humble person who has been involved in anything as huge as it appears that George H. W. Bush seems to have been involved in............ will want to approach spirituality somewhat like Julie Shematz does.......
    and let everybody know how great the grace of the Creator for us really is!



    The Journey: From Captivity to Freedom — Sex Trafficking Survivor and Advocate Julie Shematz
     
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    Please provide an example of how HW Bush allowed factories to spew smoke ash and dirt (or whatever it was you claimed). Would this be the same Bush that implemented a major program to reduce acid rain?

    Also you make it sound like the 80s fighting in Nicaragua was some one sided affair whereas in many ways it was a proxy war between the US and the Soviets.
     
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    If.... George Herbert Walker Bush.... had genuinely and sincerely repented six months ago.......
    for example..... he would have acted differently these past months because truly repentant people do not worry about their reputation but instead like Julie Shematz or Todd White
    want to use their errors from the past to reach out to help others.

    It seems to me that since George H. W. Bush DID NOT come with all that he knew about
    certain terrible crimes....... then it seems obvious that he did not sincerely repent while
    still alive.

    Luke 3:8 "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

    Truly repentant people who knew details about this event would admit what they knew.... once they know they only have months to life:
    Who killed J.F.K?


    Shocking information after 5:55 here:
     
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml
    But I have to admit that in reference to George H. W. Bush.......
    if he had truly and deeply repented and took the idea of meeting his
    Creator seriously..... .he would not have worried about his reputation.......
    he would have been more like near death experiencer and former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D:

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a03
     
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    I see your responses, but the question of whether H.W. Bush would have to go to that other place and Saint Romero stay in Heaven, or the reverse, has not been answered? (Post #6) The essence of your thread title is about the happiness of H.W. Bush; however, his happiness in the afterlife is determined—according to Christian Theology—by his actions on earth.

    Now, I know you are a good Christian and I think your opinion would be very interesting and insightful.

    You said, "Actually..... now that I got a lot more information on all this over the last twenty four hours........" I want to compliment you on your effort. Even people that live in America do not know this documented history. The German Theologian, Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, "The first ministry is to listen."

    Now just to review: Journalist Allan Nairn was in El Salvador and in Guatemala during the 1980s American-Contra Inquisition and describes how the death squads collected people of small villages were executed hundreds at a time. Remember Ronald Reagan said, “I am a Contra!”
    "Journalist Allan Nairn: Reagan Was Behind “One Of The Most Intensive Campaigns Of Mass Murder In Recent History”
     
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    From my research of near death experience accounts I
    am pretty sure that as he would Review His Life he would experience......
    the pain and the suffering that he had been responsible for putting onto others.

    If he cooperated in the Drug Trade... he would experience the suffering of many addicts.......
    and he would come to the place of total admission of all his sins.

    If he cooperated with sex trafficking.... he would experience much of the suffering that he
    benefited from.

    I cannot be certain how stuck in the darkness George H. W. Bush would be after his death....... but there are many clues here on this page.

    https://www.near-death.com/science/research/life-review.html
    The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience

    Here is an explanation of getting lost in guilt, shame and despair after our death.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a09
     
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    I agree about Bush. And there are credible reports of Near-Death experiences. They could be brain induced hallucinations, but even hallucinations could still have spiritual meaning and even be therapeutic. Wittgenstein said, "I cannot say what does not exist."

    I took a look at your first video about Bush's "military trail." It is a satire saying, "Hey, everything is collapsing. I really doesn't matter if Bush did this, or didn't do this because it's totally corrupt and this is just one absurd scenario. We voted for Trump to punish both political parties." Then the speaker presents his survivalist supplies like dry food stuffs. Which makes perfect sense if the world is going to crash, which many economists believe will happen in financial markets. I have emergency supplies, but only for earthquakes.
     
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    What does any of this nonsense you linked to have to do with HW Bush?
     
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    before this question can be answered, you would have to prove the existence of an afterlife.
     
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    The theological paradigm is that there can be scientific evidence of an afterlife. Also, nature and society are manifesting evidence of eschatological events. Most modern theology since Kant teach that there can be no such scientific evidence of g-d, freedom, and immortality for these are matters of faith and beyond our experience and therefore beyond Reason. Theories of eschatology vary with religious sect including those that interpret the Christian NT Bible literally and not symbolically such as the book of Revelations. Many of the Catholic Christians persecuted by the US/Contras had very similar views and ended up in mass graves.
     
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    IMHO you at last made your point in the last sentence. Yes, I would say all globalists should rot in hell - that is if there was a hell to rot in.
     
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    Because I believe that his situation is very similar to that of former Atheist and near death experiencer Howard Storm Ph. d. who felt that at his death he would feel, know, see and smell nothing.... but he found his consciousness outside of his body.

    I believe that you and I can pray and talk in a way that could assist George H. W. Bush to rise up through guilt / shame and go to higher and higher levels in the afterlife.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a01
    i believe that Howard Storm showed all of us one of the best ways up out of hell / purgatory..... he concluded that he was no better than the mob of demons / ghost of former humans who attacked him during the first part of his near death experience and he called on Messiah Yeshua - Jesus for undeserved mercy....... so that he could rise up out of the awful place that he was in because he knew that he would become like a demon himself if he stayed there.


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a02
    That is the key to escaping hell / purgatory...... to admit that we belong there..... and that we are no better than the demons there. If we were there long enough we would become like them ourselves.

    HUMILITY is the "get out of jail free" card that will work in hell / purgatory if our sins of our lives threaten to overwhelm us.

    I believe that George H. W. Bush is in a place where he now can know everything and will know if you or I say a prayer for him. And I prayed for him quite a bit these past days. I am worried that he might get stuck in the darkness.

    Only absolute honesty and humility works during the Life Review of the death experience or near death experience.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a03
    .....
     
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    There is logic in feeling this but G-d wants all of us to rise up out of hell / purgatory and go into higher and higher levels of light, truth and love.

    The purpose of the negative afterlife realm...... is not vengeance it is to give us humility, empathy and compassion for others who made similar errors. That is why forgiveness for others who harmed us is so important in this life.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a14
     
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    Good question.... but the answer is simple. Read some articles on String Theory, The Anthropic Principle, The Cyclic Model of the Universe and you will soon realize that there is nearly zero probability that traditional Darwinian Evolutionary Theory could be possible with the first intelligence originating here on earth.

    The first intelligence would obviously have originated nearly an eternity ago in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy as 37 percent of the posters here on the forum realized.

    Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?

    The first Intelligence began in.....?





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    Here is how the universe / Multiverse really originated.......

    https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05
    What former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Thomas Benedict writes here is surprisingly similar to chapter 13 of Stephen Hawking's Universe entitled The Anthropic Principle. That chapter goes into the Cyclic Model of the universe that is somewhat similar to what Mellen Benedict was shown.... but of course Mellen Benedict was shown that this was all planned, designed and created.

    https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a08
     
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    Theologian Karl Niebuhr once said, "Religion is a good thing for good people, and a bad thing for bad people."

    I was shocked to read that one of my favorite philosopher-mathematicians, Edmund Husserl, believed "consciousness is infinitely extended in time, and thus in principle able to survive the annihilation of the physical world, including its body (Husserl 1922: 91–3)."
     
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    No doubt following in Rehnquist's supreme swastika up Uranus court Reichquest giving standing to Federal Lynching churchstate of hate KKK cops that baptize eyes by urinations to protect & serve Arab terrorists that threatened POTUS & to nuke Temple Mount before 9/11 that in all probability killed thousands of US Americans for the Islamidiotocracy…... Christiananality pedophile mentalities lynching enforcement with every form of tyranny over the mind of man being as much idiots as Bush on 9/11 putting on a patriot act
     
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    Now tell us how you really feel! (Subjective LOL!)
     
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