no its disturbing how easily left wingers embrace fascist ideas ( this is a liberals idea of debate) LOL
You're struggling with sense. Eugenics is a central plank of fascism. Anyone who is non-fascist should reject it. We're in difficult waters at the mo, with the waters made more choppy through the reality tv President legitimizing the far right. It's the duty of all sensible minded, left and right, not to be sucked into their hatefesting. To condemn and to reject.
You mean of Nazism. Mussolini, not central at all. USA now practices eugenics by encouraging least fit to reproduce most. This subject is way to subtle for you.
Nope. Of fascism. Goes hand in hand. You're wrong over Mussolini. The charming fellow referred to eugenics when giving his rant over the end of the white race. Try Gillette's Racial theories in fascist Italy.
I think you may be trying to bite of more than can be chewed by trying to address all those issues within a single thread But still though, for the most part those seem like some pretty good ideas to me, other than the eugenics thing. -Meta
I'm not surprised you came back with this drivel after deliberately misrepresenting Mussolini. That eugenics was celebrated was the result of nonsensical fascist view over white supremacy.
So you fibbed about Mussolini, ignoring his application of eugenics to racism. And you think you can refer to Darwin to try and hide from that fact.
How much do you know about Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood ? You should go read some the comments in the Abortion section. It seems obvious that eugenics plays a not so small role.
And it's still used to promote Abortion. If it weren't for eugenics arguments and justifications, abortion would be illegal or highly curtailed in America. Your side is more than happy to pull out the old eugenics tosh when it helps their cause.
A complete red herring. I support choice, celebrating the individual. I don't support eugenics as it's guff. Why do you think fascists embrace eugenics so vigorously?
No you don't. You don't support choice or the individual on a great many issues. Once again, double standards when it comes to different political causes...
Again with the non argument. I'll try again. Why do you think fascists embrace eugenics so vigorously?
That would depend on exactly what type of "fascism" and which definition of it you're talking about. I don't believe, for example, that Mussolini was all that concerned with eugenics. On the other hand, Communist China seemed to have no qualms about implementing some eugenics measures. I would say that overall, you're right, there is a connection, but one does not necessarily always follow the other. There can also be Communist-Fascism, like there was with Ceausescu in Romania, or North Korea.
The history books show otherwise. I'll try again. Why do you think fascists embrace eugenics so vigorously? I'm happy for you to distinguish between fascist regimes if you want to go into a lot of fascism detail.
The U.S. and many countries in Western Europe embraced eugenics, and there was no fascism. So I think you may be overly looking for a bigger connection than exists. Obviously fascist leaderships have a general tendency to be less liberal than free democracies, so have fewer qualms about telling people what to do and attempting to organize society.
I didn't ask for a history of eugenics foolishness. Fortunately intelligent folk have moved on and realised the stupidity of the eugenics movement. I asked why fascists continue to laud eugenics. I get the impression that you're going to continue to dodge. I'm not surprised mind you.
