How To Stop Illegal Immigration

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  1. Abram Jones

    Abram Jones New Member

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    Traditional methods of stopping illegal immigration in North America and Europe are costly and largely ineffective. Surveillance, walls, and witch hunts are all very expensive and outdated methods for controlling illegal immigration. They are all a ridiculous waste of natural resources and man hours. A much more economic and practical solution has been available since the industrialization of any countries experiencing disproportionate amounts of illegal immigration. This is the strategy is simply investing in the economic infrastructure of countries and regions where illegal immigration is being sourced from. This may involve government grants, government subsidies, government investment or private investment. This is a much more practical approach than waiting for a country to completely industrialize on its own, which can take well over 100 years (or thousands of years if the country is technologically isolated). With heavy and proper investment a country can be industrialized in a few decades. This method is no secret, and has even been used before with countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan during the time of their rapid development. In this scenario everyone wins. Since the standard of living will increase for the regions where the illegal immigration is coming from, these people will have no need for such drastic actions. The countries who are bearing the burden of taking in illegal immigrants will also be relived of this socioeconomic weight. Lastly, investors will be able to collect dividends from the profitable corporations that facilitated the industrialization process. The proper application of technology in a habitable ecosystem increases wealth, it is as simple as that. It is important to note that in countries that are not industrialized people tend to have a more traditional work ethic, meaning they generally have a very strong work ethic and will to succeed. The biggest problem to be faced in such missions is corruption, both from the investing parties and leadership parties in the targeted region. Depending on the level of industrialization already existing within targeted regions the following steps should be accomplished:

    • gathering foreign and local investors from public and private sectors
    • governing and corporate forces working together with local authorities to establish legal activity as well as workers' rights
    • establish new corporate entities within the targeted region, these corporations, wether public or private, should not be multinational
    • recruiting both foreign and local agents that either understand the technology to be implemented and the land and resources that it is to be implement in, this will involve both foreign and local personnel
    • recruiting skilled laborers and administration or laborers and administration that can be trained in targeted regions
    • begin the process of industrialization
    • educate the population and government of targeted region on the ills of over consumption

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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    There are precedents in Mexico for refugee camps...
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    Mexicans weigh the daunting prospect of deportee camps
    Feb 22,`17 -- Mexicans fear deportee and refugee camps could be popping up along their northern border under the Trump administration's plan to start deporting to Mexico all Latin Americans and others who entered the U.S. illegally through this country.
     
  3. TheResister

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    For more than fifteen years I have offered the only sensible plan that would alleviate the "problem" (in reality no problem exists), but it would answer the issue and protect the Rights of all.

    The issue of resolving the immigration debacle with real solutions is that it won't fly. America has been dumbed down to the point that they have no critical thinking skills and no interest in solving anything.

    The anti-immigrant lobby sees improper entry as a criminal offense and their entire philosophy revolves around the belief that people coming here - even to get a job and feed their families is somehow criminal - and I assure you, it is not. It is not a crime to be in the United States without papers. Unless and until the anti-immigrant lobby understands that reality, all the rest of this is mental masturbation.
     
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    Abram Jones,

    What you propose will only lead to waste and corruption. It is not the responsibility of the United States federal, state and local governments to provide prosperity to other nations when they could very easily do that same for themselves. If you propose establishing investment zones in those nations through government assistance, it is tantamount to welfare. If you are proposing that the same companies that hire illegals establish investment zones, heck, they do not have to because they are already engaging in similar behaviors in these United States. If your plan is adopted, the illegals may as well stay here in America. Such a plan overlooks the reasoning why many, including myself do not want them here to begin with. The reason such resistance is born to the idea and actual of establishing sanctuary states, counties, cities, towns, and villages has to do wage depression, lack of employment for the native-born populations, as well as economic disparity. In my opinion, all of those who are elected officials who support these criminals, yes, criminals to remain here untouched and unscathed is nothing more than them shirking their sworn duties, to uphold the constitution of these United States of [North] America, as well as the various state constitutions and county and local charters, so they need to be impeached and convicted for supplying aid and comfort to known fugitives from justice.
     
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    When their children go to school, send the employer the bill.
     
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    Why in the hell would you wish to stop immigration legal or illegal as first there is a demand and a need for this workforce or they would not be here in the first place and the US is below repeat below population replacement level without this ongoing immigration and the EU is in worst shape then we are in that regard.

    The whole issue is must about nothing at all.
     
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    How do you propose to capture and return Russians and Israelis who escaped their military drafts and are AWOL?
     
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    Jimmy79 Well-Known Member

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    You make a joke of your own argument when you don't differentiate legal and illegal immigration.
     
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  10. jimmy rivers

    jimmy rivers Well-Known Member

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    Here's my much more intelligent proposal:

    1-deport all illegals, including those anchor babies who got citizenship simply being born in the US going back to 1950
    2-stop all legal immigration for 30 years
    3-all employers hiring illegals get a $1MM fine for each illegal and 10 years in jail for each - same for anyone renting a home to them
    4-terminate the H1B jobs theft program and all 1MM participants must leave the US in 30 days
    5-terminate the DACA program. All 800K DACAs not in the army - only about 750 are - must leave in 60 days
    6-have congress vote to fix the 14th amendment mis-reading so that only children born to US citizen parents can be citizens, terminating jus soli citizenship.
    7-end all benefits, schooling and healthcare for illegals one week from today, so most will leave the country on their own.
    8-establish a prison on Catalina Island to hold illegal alien criminals whose nation of origin refuses to take them back. All such countries sacrifice all and any US aid and trade will be severely reduced.

    Implement those 8 items, and the $140 billion dollars per year wasted on illegal aliens can be saved, plus billions more by schools who won't have to hire so many teachers to support the larger classes.
     
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  11. ScotchCAOgold

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    the only problem with this is The Constitution
     
  12. ScotchCAOgold

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    we have already made too many deals that disproportionately helped other nations over our own, and where does that money go? To corrupt politicians, cartels, and other unintended sources. The corruption of many of these countries would never make this plan a benefit for us, history has proven that.
     
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    That's a really strong argument, thanks for sharing...you really convinced me there. NOT.
     
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    You can’t see the violations of the Constitution in you plan?
     
  15. jimmy rivers

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    #1 and #6 are the only items with constitutional significance, and most americans support the ending of the jus soli policy, only the lowlife filth democratic national party and its interests in flooding the country with impoverished 3rd worlders to lavish with welfare benefits in exchange for votes want to keep that policy in place. #6 should never have even been an issue; a SC mis-reading of the 14th a century ago should have never occured but since it did, a clarifying amendment that removes the anchor baby acceptance could address both situations.

    Other than that, there are no constitutional complications.
     
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    So you admit the Constitution is a problem with your plan, like I said. This is not a debate. The plan can be as good as you want if it’s not Constitutional it has no significance.
     
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    Problem no. Not a debate? Says who, you? When did you purchase the forum? Sorry dear but you do not get to decide how the threads operate.

    Back on topic, no sane american wants to accept anchor babies, so changing that will not an issue, only the national democraptic party would want to prevent it from happening.
     
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    That's wonderful news, just fantastic. The more unhappy and frustrated the mexican and latin american governments get, the more confident I feel that the US is finally taking action to cease being the world's welfare agency/jobs bank for the poor/uneducated of the world.

    These countries, particularly mexico, must be panicking now that they might actually have to achieve two things they never have been able to do, namely start 1) reducing their overpopulation and practice birth control 2) building a functional economy that does not rely upon remittances/stolen money from the US to survive.

    Seriously, how much pride can these people have knowing that their country is total garbage, and that it is an impoverished dump? If I was from mexico or latin america I'd be humiliated that my people are such abject failures and so beholden to the white man to help me survive. Do they have any pride or character at all? Or have they been so brainwashed - and enabled - by the lowlife national democratic party in the US that they are little more than helpless infants needing to suckle the tit of the US? Pathetic.
     
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    Once again, the Constitution is your only problem.
     

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