How US gun culture compares with the world

If there is any correlation at all it would be that of "restricted gun control=more violent crime/relaxed gun control=less violent crime". But, really this is uniteresting because, at the end of the day, this is a question about private property. A gun is just like an iPhone or a frying pan a possession that, just like a phone or a pan, can be used to hurt others, but that too is irrelevant because it is proven fact that gun control does not work. Normal people don't go around shooting people.

The only way to eliminate the black market and make the gangs go broke is by legalising gun trade, allowing industries and businesses produce and sell the service. This way we would also see new jobs and the state would be very happy bevause they got another tax source.

Let people carry!

 

What about simply removing those that generate the demand that allows the black market to exist and thrive in the first place?

 

I have frequently said we should be proud that the US is doing so much better than East Timor. LOL

 

Because if we wanted to live in those other countries we would

 

It is not only psychos who demand weapons. Also normal folks do and therefore this is not the way to go. We must kill the source of income for the gangs and that is done by legalising guns.

If we had a sufficient policeforce, maybe we could trust them to remove criminals, but policeforce is a command economy and therefore insufficient. If the "weapon monopoly" can't protect us, it is only moral to let us do it ourselves.

 

History shows that prohibition of alcohol caused a great problem.
Once alcohol was banned, the black market opened, alcohol was imported illegally, then people like Al Capone became wealthy, criminal empires were built.

Massive Law Enforcement became a reality.
Gun control also became a focus.

Finally Prohibition was repealed, and thoae problems quietly went away.

Drugs are the same problem, if Drugs were produced by Pharmaco, most criminal problems would also quietly go away.

The profit motive behind illegal drugs fuels over 90% of the crime problem in Mexico snd the U.S.

 

No need to ban guns. But they must be restricted. Virtually everyone agrees on that we just argue where the line is drawn

 

you want to impose laws on honest people that you pretend will stop criminals while knowing and hoping that the laws harass honest people. We honest advocates against gun crime want laws that punish people for harming others with firearms

 

Gun control saves lives. That is the only reason for it

 

Define Gun Control then.

New York City Gun Control.
A license / registration to purchase any rifle / shotgun
and ammo only for those long guns owned.

A license / registration to purchase any handgun for the home, and a license to carry outside the home.
Very complicated and a five year jail sentance for illegal unlicensed unregistered handguns.

What gun control is too much ?

 

NYC is a bit to severe for me in just that it does not issue CCW without a very good reason and I think that is wrong. But I have no problem with license and registration

 

Yes of course let's pass a law requiring a license and registration.

That way, murderers, drug dealers and other associated scumbags will say to themselves "You know, I really want to kill this guy, but I don't have a license and my gun isn't registered. Dangit!"

Idiotic.

 

Maybe we should outlaw murder too! LOL

 

Wow !!!
Muder is der illegal !!
So why do so many folks murder others ?

 

We did, and it works about as well as your extremely dumb idea.

 

Why did we then? LOL

 

We need to make it legal. This is just harrassment

 

Obviously to be able to set punishment guidelines.

If someone is going to ignore the massive penalties for murder, they're going to ignore the dumb idea of registration and licensing.

They are ALREADY not allowed to own firearms, and cannot be punished for failure to license or register.

Try logic, its good stuff.

 

Yeah. Murder laws are cl;early not working. Lets get rid of them. Perfect logic!!! LOL

 

I see you didn't understand that either.

No. Murder laws don't stop someone from murdering. Clearly. Murder laws only serve to deter those who observe the law and to serve as a basis for punishment for people who don't observe any law.

That's why we call them criminals. They don't care about the law.

Your idea of passing a law for registration and licensing has never and will never stop criminals from being criminals, just like the law against murder has never and will never stop those same people from killing others.

To think passing a law stops murderers from killing is the height of idiocy.

 

Hold on a second are you inferring that not one person in the history of time has considered murder laws and decided not to kill because they do not want to have to deal with the legal consequences of murdering?

I actually think murder laws do prevent murders, at what rate... harder to know.

 

I'm with you bud. We need to get rid of those dam murder laws. Its HARRASSMENT!

 

This is called deterrence.

Laws cannot prevent people from breaking them, and so no law against murder has ever prevented a murder.

Deterrence and prevention are not the same thing.

 

Deterence and prevention in this context are exactly the same thing

 

Ah there you are.

It's not the law itself, it's the consequences of GETTING CAUGHT that stops them.

In some places in our country, like Chicago and it's 30% clearance rate on murder, the law itself is not a deterrent. Only the punishment is.

This kind of brings me to the point I wanted to make.

Criminals run around now with guns, which is already against the law, because there is no deterrent. In most cases where a criminal is caught with a firearm, it is one of the first charges dropped.

In fact when these people are interviewed, they plainly state that they would rather get picked up by the police for having a firearm than they would to run into another gang member and not have a weapon on them.

This is a small chance of a short jail sentence vs. large chance of death. Clearly we can see why they arm themselves.

Here's what the other poster is suggesting:

1. Murder is already illegal. The penalties if caught are severe.

2. A felon/criminal in possession of a firearm is already illegal, so if they have one, they're breaking the law anyway.

3. This genius wants to suggest both of the above can be prevented by implementing ANOTHER law requiring everyone to register their firearm and obtain a license.

4. The penalty for not licensing and registering is clearly not even close to the penalty for murdering someone, so how is this a deterrent to people who have already decided to commit murder?

5. Due to 5th amendment protections, an unlicensed criminal/felon in possession of an unregistered firearm could not even be prosecuted for this stupid idea.