How we can improve education for the bottom 10-20%

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  1. Merwen

    Merwen Well-Known Member

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    That is not true for the average middle class denizens--and will soon not be true even for the upper middles.
     
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    Of course it's true. The cars we drive, if put into the 1960s, would be luxury cars. Power windows and power locks were once only on luxury cars. Most of us in the SE now have air conditioning. We didn't in 1968. We all carry mobile phones now, again, something the rich could have. The average house size in 1968 was 1665 sq. feet or 551 sq. feet per person. In 2014, the average house size was 2657 sq. feet or 1046 sq. feet per person. The only problem with the middle class is that we have fewer in the middle class, because they are joining the upper class, not because they are becoming the lower class.

    House size article
    https://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/05/25/the-size-of-a-home-the-year-you-were-born/2/
     
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    Okay lets keep this simple lets look at IQ ranges 71 (just above legal retardation as a disability) to 89 as the basic focus for this. Now as I see it most of these people are going to be more and more unemployable so why waste time educating them, I know the ADA and expectations are do so but its to me a waste of resources. Now lets look at breadth of education that should be in elementary grades and open to all then decide if four years of more education is considered is it worth spending the money and time over just giving two years of more skills education at most then move them to the workforce or if they fail to work by eighteen put them on welfare.
     
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    How's about study or be tired cold and hungry forever?
     
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    Why not try the feckin obvious? Achieve a more equal society and then allow equality of opportunity with education?

    The likes of the US has a big problem as it has allowed a pisspot output soundly based on class repetitition.
     
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    It is not in the best interests of society as a whole to exclude people like that. One fairly obvious reason is that even more capable children of such parents will also be, by the examples they see around them, cut off from mainstream society, Another is that idleness can create other problems,such as criminal behavior.
     
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    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem with discussing education is that everyone has been through the school system and therefore considers himself an expert on it.

    I’m not at all disparaging direct experience ... but ... if anyone is really interested in this vital topic they really should do some information-gathering.

    Please go to YouTube and enter “Marva Collins” in the search box. Follow that with “Sig Engelmann”.

    For those of a reading disposition, get ED Hirsch’s Cultural Literacy.
     
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    Okay then do this four years of skills education hell I would do this for any student who is likely to drop out over being unable to do some requirements or who isn't motivated to do classes not of interest to them and they are not likely to use is this ... expose them to lots of trades and work doing a week or two of each area and talking about the work then focus on what they want to do. If someone is of low intelligence but they like doing work outside in landscaping why not focus on that sort of work for a couple years including work experience for credit and give them at the end of Vocational Diploma in Landscaping. And one could have them do some side classes in Driving, Small Equipment Maintenance and other classes they show a talent for. And do this for lots of trades and work where college isn't really needed and can be taught in four years. It would be better than having students drop out or fail to graduate with a standard diploma. I will note in much of the world a lot of people work in their teens and build a career skills set by hands on work its better to me than four years of students who may be unmotivated and bored or don't see classes as being valuable.
     
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    Some of this could be workable, but your basic assumption seems to be that the trades and etc do not require much intelligence, which is untrue.
     
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    It would be largely based on their interests and aptitudes if your a moron well maybe being a cashier or stocking shelves or other work might be all your trainable to do likewise smart kids who just want to work could enter higher end work demanding more intelligence and/or talent for the work. I still would argue for true low income people just sticking them on welfare might be the best thing and leave it at that they really won't be employable the same for the more extreme disabled person.
     
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    Im glad you said 'might'.

    It's really not a good idea to provide free ecological niches for organisms that reproduce.
     
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    Learn a moderate paying trade skill. Work for 10 years and save money. Use money to start a business that will employ other skilled tradespeople who want to work to save money to start their own businesses...

    This is what we should be teaching the majority of kids.

    Instead we're teaching them to work their hole life making rich asshats richer. It shouldn't be a surprise when a portion of them are like 'F that, I want my own thing'. Then they go off without any idea how to make their own thing because the education system is rigged by folks that don't want them to do that.
     
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    By the way I'm not saying these people are bad people in the 50's most would go work on an assembly line in a factory or do some work like farm laborer or other useful employment however its not then and the pool of jobs who are low aptitude are going fast if they aren't gone already.
     
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    That is the problem our elites have created; by again externalizing the true cost of their short sighted economic pursuits, they have been destroying the very economic engine that "raised all boats" in the US. Best explained by the instruction, "Don't psss in your own soup"...in this case, meaning one's own country.
     
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    To be honest, it has to come from the home; unengaged parents have unengaged children. Furthermore, I do not even see why it should be a goal to make each and every teenager "college ready" because not every personality is suited for such environment. I would state that a good way of improving student performance is legalising child labour so that students unsuitable for education can start their lives and careers in time.
     
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