How would the US foreign policy change, had US elites' complicity in 9/11 been provn?

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  1. PolitBoxer

    PolitBoxer New Member

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    What changes would the foreign policy of the United States undergo, had proofs of the American elites' involvement in the 9/11 conspiracy emerged, and been publicized?

    [video=youtube;r8YtF76s-yM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM[/video]

    [video=youtube;awaMO5L488g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awaMO5L488g[/video]
     
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    Irrelevant since there is no proof because they weren't.
     
  3. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it's a strange premise behind the OP.
     
  4. PolitBoxer

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    Father of a son killed in the South Tower, whose autopsy established the fatal injuries had been caused not by fireballs, but by explosives:

    So, the citizens of the USA fear to confront their government on its crimes, the US media fears to raise these issues, as under the Patriot Act every US citizen can be thrown in jail without a court hearing, be drugged there:
    and held there for many years until the prisoner submits himself to what the government requests of him. The media of the United States is a sham and cooperates fully with that Gulag system:
    If you watched the film which I've linked in my post - The Anatomy of a Great Deception - you would see that the evidence for the controlled demolition of the WTC towers is overwhelming and solid. Just the nano-engineered nature of the thermite, found throughout the WTC dust, excludes the possibility of the Al-Qaeda plane attacks being the only reason of the towers' collapse, as it could only have been produced in high-tech laboratories. One can say what one will about the Arabs, yet one cannot suspect them of using nanotechnology:
    The nanothermite, found in the WTC dust is twice more potent than the military grade thermite.

    Americans display a primitive level of hypocrisy, fear and duplicity, with the majority of them willing to silently cooperate with their government to ignore these truths or at least to try to defer their discussion/revelation to as late as possible. And in this they're not unique, suffice it to consider the Germans' behaviour in the Third Reich or the Russians under Putin, who're showing no willingness to conclude the investigations into the 1999 apartment bombings, which instigated the second anti-Chechen war and shot up the Putin's ratings.

    The very ugly and grotesque about the American national duplicity is that both the state officials abroad and the media and the citizens are deeply indoctrinated in and still actively committed to the promotion of the moral authority of America.

    Many find it impossible their government could be so evil as to hatch a plan to murder its citizens to start a war, while - as in similar cases elsewhere - the initial motives of the planners need not have been explicitly evil, as could have been conceived well intended, patriotic and beneficial for the country. The possible explanation of the events is that neocons or other group around and behind Bush decided not to prevent Al-Qaeda's attacks but instead help it make it more spectacular so to rally the population behind the aggression against Iraq, which had to stop Saddam Hussein's plans to switch the oil trade from dollars to Euros:
    And so they've saved the American empire, would the empire's citizens really want to know how it was saved?
     
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    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Do you have a credible source for this statement, like an excerpt of a medical report or some such? Simply, because it is known that no bodies or body parts evinced barotrauma (that determines if one died from the effects of an explosion). I'd appreciate some form of corroborating evidence on this claim if you'd be so accommodating.
     
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    I could not come round to answering your question, as I could not imagine where you're coming from. Given all the evidence pointing at a conspiracy, you've chosen to question the truth of the killed man's father's words?
     
  7. Bob0627

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    What a load of trash directed at me. Read my posts on 9/11 before you accuse me of cowardice. A coward is someone who defends the 9/11 fairy tale daily and questions none of it. Since you live outside the US as you claim, English is probably not you primary language and it seems to me you completely misunderstood what I posted and lumped me with someone who does exactly what I describe.
     
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    The right still has nothing but continuance, diversion, and other forms of fallacies.
     
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    Here is what the wealthiest got out of public policies that resort to the use of our exorbitantly expensive superpower, and capital:
    Just the wealthiest benefitting from socialization of some costs in favor of relative safety of investment opportunities for other costs.
     
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    It cannot be real times of war if the wealthiest are not paying real times of war tax rates.
     
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    Since I cannot edit my last post, I will write an update to it and an apology here:

    Bob0627,
    your stance, expressed in your initial posting in this thread deserves respect. I believe all family relatives of the victims of 9/11 and the subsequent mostly false war on terror need and deserve a compassionate treatment. Excuse my misplaced rant, I got lost in the technicalities of the artificial definitions and acronyms contrived around 9/11... Why call the government's narrative "Official conspiracy theory", when it should simply be called a LIE?

    There should be a lawsuit filed against the G.W. Bush's government; the evidence provided by Susan Lindauer is more than enough to indict them. And a thourough investigation should establish the truth in this matter. Why is all this dancing around with amassing the experts' views and waiting going on without end? I think courage to go against them till the end is what above all is required now.

    Sorry to have mistaken you for the others ... the depth of the ideological madness of the people could have drawn too dark a picture for me, as of recently: http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...d-us-elites-complicity-9-11-been-w-3-a-3.html ...
     
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    Apology accepted and thank you. We all misread or misinterpret at times.

    Absolutely, you are quite right. These innocent people have been severely victimized and require the support of all people who believe in humanity.

    It is a massive LIE, there is no question about it. Those who don't believe the lies we've been fed and are still being fed are constantly being called conspiracy theorists by those who bought the lies and defend them. What they're defending is nothing more than a conspiracy theory and these hypocritical people are in fact are conspiracy theorists, what they try to ridicule.

    There was a lawsuit against individuals in the Bush administration including George Bush himself but the corrupt courts dismissed it on the contrived grounds of absolute immunity.

    http://nancho.net/911/mariani.html

    Unfortunately there will never be any kind of legitimate investigation into 9/11 by any US government. Its agenda relies on maintaining the 9/11 myth.

    I agree but it's a near impossibility to get the criminals to investigate themselves so the best we can do for now is to discuss and educate the uneducated.

    No problem.
     
  13. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Er, yes. Because anyone can make that kind of thing up. Your appeal to emotion is fallacious, and I have absolutely no doubt that he believes his claim, however, I don't believe it, hence my question. Your feigned outrage, and that of the troll are noted, however, they do not answer the question. Thank you for being so helpful in this matter. SMH

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    I expect proof of such an outrageous claim because, I don't believe everything on an internet populated with liars like those in 9/11 truth.

    Please don't troll my posts when I'm discussing a point with another member. Your lowbrow tactics are becoming VERY tiresome.
     
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    But you accept everything you're fed by the lying storytellers as absolute truth without proof. I understand.

    I don't troll, I discuss and there's no rule prohibiting interjecting comments/opinions in a discussion between other posters, something you do all the time. Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e? If you believe otherwise however, feel free to report it. In any case I commented on PolitBoxer's post not yours.
     
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    A lie. Unlike truthers, I use reason and logic to determine what is correct and I don't jump to fallacious and ludicrous conclusions like 9/11 truth. It will be lost on you, but that is why I asked for a source. You see, it's like this when it comes to assessing a claim. One makes the claim and supports it, as the father's claim could be mere invention, one would normally be courteous and supply a corroborating source. But then, 9/11 truth operate on an extremely low level and only expect high standards from the opposition. Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?

    You were trolling. Its obvious, as your comment was completely unnecessary and designed to besmirch my character. You fool no-one.
     
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    Yeah I see, enough said.
     
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    Trolling noted.
     
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    no factual complicity has been proven ...
     
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    And that is why their arguments need to focus upon the individual and not the subject. Sere my sig for clarification.
     
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    I have to agree with that. There is only an enormous amount of circumstantial EVIDENCE, it must all be miraculous coincidences. Many have been convicted of crimes based on a tiny fraction of such circumstantial EVIDENCE.
     
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    What? a collection of lies, misrepresentations, innuendo, memes, libel, illogical premises and stupid tales that have no coherence or evidence?

    To the rest of the sane world, that's just BS. LOLOL
     
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    Yep that is the OCT to a tee.
     
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    No. 9/11 truth and the truther brigade.
     
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    As to thread title, it is obviously a hypothetical because the real perpetrators of the event were hidden from public view. That was the purpose of the Kean and Hamilton Commission--protect the guilty from exposure, and pacify an easily fooled public and media.

    So US policy followed the false flag. Because the identities of the real perps can only be guessed at, they will never be exposed. US foreign policy is in the hands of statists like Hillary Clinton and others behind the scenes.
     
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