How would you reform the US political system?

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  1. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    How would you change the US political system?

    1. Everyone gets a free federally issued voter's card when they turn 18 and can use it in every election, local, federal, state, presidential, gubetorial, whatever. No one can therefore ever again complain about voter supression or electoral fraud. Standardise all election procedures across the board, no more hanging chads or other Florida style fiascos including absentee ballots.

    2. Stop directly electing your District Attorney's so that they use their positions as an instrument to employ the law to persecute their political opponents.

    3. Hold all elections at the same time so you vote for Senate, Congress, President all on the same day. That way you don't get Executive and Legislature at loggerheads.

    4. Limit the Supreme Court to a fixed term, either for 8 years (the maximum term of the President who appointed them) or force them to retire at 70, it shouldn't be an exercise in longevity.

    5. Get a computer programme to redraw all electoral boundaries independently to avoid gerrymandering.

    Also I would add standardise the age of consent across the board and drop the drinking age to 18,
     
  2. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. If you can't vote for a candidate, you can't donate to him.You could only donate to candidates you can vote for, no one else.
    2. Donations can be done only by a living, breathing American citizen.
    3. No donation limit, but all donations are made public. No more secret donations or dark money.
    4. repeal of the 17th amendment. The senate was originally instituted to represent the states. Let each state legislature choose their senator and have that senator be responsible to their state legislation.
    5. repeal of the 22nd amendment. If the people want a president to serve a third term, they ought to have that option. Congress faces no term limits, in fairness, neither should the president.
    6. If the 22nd amendment remains in effect, then senators ought to be limited to two terms, 12 years and House members to six terms or 12 years.
    7. Electoral college, states can award all their electoral votes to a candidate that wins 50% plus one vote. No more awarding electoral votes via a plurality winner. When no candidate receives 50% plus one vote statewide, electoral votes would be awarded by the winner of each congressional district, plus 2 (senators) for the state wide winner, the candidate which received the most votes statewide. Maine and Nebraska already do this, award their electoral via of who won each congressional district.
    8. Restore minority party rights in the senate, eliminate the nuclear option.

    Sorry, I disagree on limiting the term on the SCOTUS. But with the elimination of the nuclear option, It would require 60 votes for cloture. I might even think about 2/3rds threshold for the SCOTUS. But no term limits. We should make our judicial system as free of politics as possible. I like the idea of a computer drawing congressional lines. The Republicans gerrymandered the heck out of North Carolina and Texas, the Democrats out of Illinois and New York following the 2010 census. I would add that counties must remain whole as much as possible.
     
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    Pipette8 Well-Known Member

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    No one will like this, but only people who work or own property should get to vote. Why should people
    with no stake in the game get to vote for increasing taxes? They always vote Dem. What a surprise.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People tend to vote their own interests.
     
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    Pipette8 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. And it interests people on welfare who have never worked a day to vote for people like Ocasio-Cortez who wants to raise your taxes to 70% and dole it out to non-working poor.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will admit that a lot of the government programs have taken being responsible for one's self out of the equation.
     
  7. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    That was how things used to be in Britain pre-1918 but you can't just rely on those who own property etc that's how the poor get ground down.
     
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    If you combine the property owners and the working-class you would have a good representation of people. You could add in those that have worked within the last two years but have been laid off.

    This system might entice those who refuse to work to go to work. In the US, it almost doesn't pay to work. The non-working poor get free everything--food, housing, cell phones, computers, discount on internet, utilities, free cash, their kids go to public schools, they need EMT service, fire, police services, medical care. They basically have everything that working people have. So what's the point in working.

    You mentioned the poor getting ground down. The working class is who is getting ground down from paying income taxes, sales tax, property tax.
     
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    No citizens vote would carry more weight than another citizens vote. Eliminate the Electoral College.
     
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    Easy:

    Electoral votes will be appirtioned by the actual vote totals in each state.

    And: no campaign contributions by any organization or group other than individuals and actual limitations at thousand dollars.
     
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    step one... wait till congress is in session then nuke dc

    step two... break out the big bag of popcorn and those bottles of scotch you've been saving
     
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  12. Reasonablerob

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    I think we should keep the senate system, the more direct voting by the people the better. Disagree on extending the President's terms, people are already hysterical about Trump being some form of dictator plus look at the toll it takes on them, especially Barack.
     
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    But the whole point of it was to stop the big, populous costal states dominating the heartland where there is no one.
     
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    Presidents who could have run for a third term without the 22nd. Eisenhower would have won a third term if he ran, but he had two or three heart attacks already. He wouldn't have. Reagan also would have won if he had decided running for a third term, but Alzheimer had set in, he wouldn't have. Bill Clinton, still fairly young and in good health, unlike IKE and Ronnie if they were healthy enough, I not sure Bill could have won a third term. Too many scandal's associated with him, although Bill remained popular enough to win a third term. But I think the people were just too tired of all the sexcapades and the like. Who knows? G.W. Bush, healthy enough, but never would have been reelected to a third term. People were just plain tired of him and wanted someone else. Obama, healthy, not like IKE or Ronnie, I think he would have won a third term, especially against Trump. The thing is once a president wins reelection, he is a lame duck president the day after. The opposing party have nothing to fear of him. The opposing party knows for the next four years, the president is gone.

    What I like about giving the states back the senate is the senators would be tied to the wishes and wants of the state, not so much political parties as they are today. Way too many times a senator will vote the party's wishes over the wishes and wants of the people of their state. A democrat from a red state or a republican from a blue state do this all the time. It's the people of their state be danged, rah, rah political party.

    In a representative republic, the people electing those who will choose the senators, the state legislatures, is still giving the people a voice in the selection. Not by direct voting, but by being able to vote for those who choose the senators. We're not a direct democracy. The House of Representatives is the peoples house, the direct democracy portion. The House represents the people, the senate is suppose to represent the states. To do that as the framers envisioned, the state legislatures need to choose them. That power to the states and to the people who selected the state legislatures and not to a political party.
     
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    That's already how it works lol.

    I think you need to study up on the electoral college.
     
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    Guess again! Please learn to think and research before putting your gnorance on public display.

    Only two states, Nebraska and Maine, do not follow the winner-takes-all rule. In those states, there could be a split of Electoral votes among candidates through the state's system for proportional allocation of votes. For example, Maine has four Electoral votes and two Congressional districts.
    U. S. Electoral College: Frequently Asked Questions - National Archives
    National Archives (.gov) › faq

    Feedback
     
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    How about the electoral vote goes to the Presidential Candidate who won that
    Congressional District and the extra votes going to Winner Take All.


    Is that acceptable?


    Moi :oldman:





    Heaven Is Not A Democracy
    Democracy Is Not Heaven


    Electoral_College.jpg

     
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    Don't really know if that would or would not make the election system, better. I do know that congressional districts are significantly subject to jerrymandering so my first position is to be skeptical. Not sure why that would be any better than just apportioning the states electoral votes proportional to the votes for each candidate.
     
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    Veterans Only get to vote.
     
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    Will they be allowed to vote for draft dogers?
     
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    Geographic considerations as intended by the Founding Fathers.


    Why Not Apportion Electoral Votes by National Popular Vote?
    I offer Congressional Districts.
    You offer States.
    Why not a Federal election by popular vote?

    I still favor Congressional District to insure that a candidate has some breadth to
    their support and not just concentrations.


    Electoral_College.jpg
     
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    Thank you Robert Heinlein!
     
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    I think of the far right as 'bugs'.
     
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    We need an amendment that would bind politicians in representing the best interests of the american people, and if they did not, and only represented the people the Princeton Study informed us were exclusively being represented by congress,(they used congressional record as evidence which was overwhelming and clear) this would have legal consequences.

    Then it would not matter if our elites, big bankers, wall street and MNCs financed political campaigns. Of course this would remove big money from our elites from politics, for they would no longer be getting such a great return on that investment, and such people would not just throw their money away. Hell, not a patriot in that crowd.

    How would you tell if a politician was only representing a tiny minority, our elites? You would use congressional record, which would lay it out in spades. Not that our elites should not get representation, just that they should not exclusively be represented in congress and the oval office, while 300 million plus non elite americans get nothing.

    This is a huge problem, and yet MSM barely covered that Study, but you could find it in spades on tin foil hat sites, which is where DC liked to see it covered.
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Really, it's possibly the most right wing novel in history?
     

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