How you are being robbed of your right to vote fairly

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    The US Presidency is not a state-election. It is national in nature. Congress is a purely state-wide election.

    The presidency is a national election by state. But only out of convention, that is "habit". It should be regulated as a national election. In Congress, only the HofR elects representative by means of gerrymandered voting districts. This should be outlawed.

    There is NO COGENT REASON for voting-districts to be carved out to favor particular parties, Democrat or Replicant.

    Which should, as I have said many a time here, report ONLY the popular-vote for PotUS to Congress, which counts them and ratifies the results.

    The fact that the states count the votes is an historical usage that dates from a time when reporting the vote required each state to send "runners" to Washington.

    That is no longer necessary in this day and age. Uncle Sam needs to learn hot to evolve. Especially since the rest of the developed world EMPLOYS ONLY THE RESULTS OF THE POPULAR-VOTE TO ELECT THE HEAD OF STATE ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    What "tyranny"? You're exaggerating grossly. The Real Tyranny is the manipulation of the popular-vote by means of the either the Electoral-College that DOES NOT REFLECT the popular vote or state-voting that is gerrymandered to maximize the outcome for one or the other party.

    C'mon, this sort of insanity MUST STOP! And just because it's been around since the 12th Amendment was passed in 1812 MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER!

    No country with a sense of political fairness or justice would or should accept such blatant manipulations of the Popular Vote - which are the only veritable expressions of the peoples' collective-will at the ballot-box ... !
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-to-vote-fairly.542461/page-3#post-1069732430
     
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    We do not live in a direct democracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic, which is vastly superior. What you may not realize is that you actually don't have a "right" to vote for a Presidential candidate in the first place, it's just that all 50 States have chosen to do it that way. They don't have to. Senators used to be selected/elected by their respective State Legislatures, and we should probably go back to that.
     
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    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    That is an absolutely terrifying thought.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    It creates a tyranny of people who live in high population areas. It puts everyone else out of business. It's OK with me, though. I quit caring about who wins elections. I'm happy when we have gridlock.
     
  7. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    You want to say why? Unless of course your fundamentally misogynist.

    In which case you might want to see a psychiatrist ... ?
     
  8. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bollocks!

    Moving right along ...
     
  9. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yet another one who does not understand English.

    Republic and democracy are synonymous. Take a course in Civics. You need it badly ...
     
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    Founding Fathers didn't want the citizens to elect the President or Vice President and wanted governors to select Senate members, only the House of Representatives was supposed to have popular votes by men citizens.
     
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    LOL LOL LOL

    You argue from a group run by Eric Holder, the contemptible attorney general for obama, one of the most partisan and crooked people ever.

    TOTALLY DISCREDITED. LOL LOL LOL LOL
     
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    I guess I left you speechless.
     
  13. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    Given the lack of education and the fact that England was clearling its prisons by sending jailbirds to the US, what happened back then is understandable.

    We are a long, long way beyond that time. But, we've dragged along with us the tedious 12 Amendment that should never have been passed ...
     
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    Tyranny me arse!

    It creates an anomaly that contradicts the true meaning of a Real Democracy. That is, the election of representative by means of the popular-vote and only the popular vote.

    Which we have in most elections, but the results nonetheless are manipulated by gerrymandering. In fact, in researching the subject I

    We are not the democracy we should be and never have been since the 12th Amendment legitimized the Electoral College. And, the same year (1812) , the Governor of Massachusetts manipulated the vote by means of regrouping constituencies to favor candidates he wanted elected.

    And, despite the obvious manipulation, we have merrily for two-centuries allowed it to continue!

    You seem to have forgot that people died to defend your "liberty". There is no sense in giving up, and many people are standing up to fight for a Fair & Honest Democracy, which is a long, hard battle that will neither be won this election nor for some time to come.

    So the sooner we start, the better ... !
     
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    Gerrymandering is an organizational problem. Politicians will do whatever increases their power and control. You need to reorganize things so that congressional districts are defined by something other than politicians. I don't care about gerrymandering because it is a political activity and I disapprove of all political activities. So I will leave the solution up to you.



    I don't care about elections either because they never fix anything. They simply change the names on the doors. I'll leave that one up to you as well. I can't imagine why you think I don't understand where freedom arises. The proper goal of government is to defend and insure freedom. In fact it does more of the opposite. You vote. I'll adapt.
     
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    That should come as quite a revelation to most on this forum. Thank you for your attempts at educating the ignorant people who think that the President has to win the majority of the electoral college.
     
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    It's good for some to know. Some people still think Hillary should be president because she won a popularity contest and not the states.
     
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    Says the people who don't want voter ID, are allowing illegal aliens to vote in elections, and want open borders.

    Whatever the left accuses you of, that's what they're doing.
     
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    This 'Gerrymandering' nonsense doesn't explain how America could go full on stupid and elect Obama, give him the House and the Senate. Where were the complaints about gerrymandering then? Seems it only exists when liberals aren't in full control of the government. How sad...
     
  20. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Donor

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    BS always does ...
     

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