HUD moves to cancel illegal immigrants' public housing access

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Donor

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    You said less fortunate. I’m less fortunate than the Clintons, where are my freebies?
     
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    You keep repeating "no express immigration clause" like a drunken parrot. What is your point? Are you trying to claim the Federal Government cannot regulate immigration? If that is your claim the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise.
     
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    Are you seriously going to try to argue with me about that?

    Sometimes it's not worth arguing with stupid.

    But I'll tell you what, if you really want to argue about that, start a new thread, and PM us the link to the thread (or post the link here). I'll go address your claim.
    I don't want to derail this thread with that, these sort of threads already get derailed enough as it is.
     
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    You must be poor. I have nothing else to add.
     
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    Don't flatter yourself, you don't have anything in your pocket anyone wants.

    The only way to make money back in an economy is to have productive labor. People who are homeless aren't productive. They are paying minimal taxes and barely consuming. Give them a house, and they are way more likely to get a job, pay taxes, and buy stuff at Walmart. Duh.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...illions/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1ec7b4402181

    Also note that if you want hands out of pockets, then you should realize how expensive homelessness is. They wind up in jail a lot which is WAY more than a studio apartment. I wouldn't open your mouth until you know more than you do.
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    People who care about the law enforce the letter of the law to what...feel good about themselves? The law doesn't care if you enforce it or not.

    Laws are codified ethics about how we treat others when they do things that can harm society. Staying in the US past your VISA or entering without one is hardly murder. It doesn't do great harm at all to our society. Don't lie and say it does. So to focus on enforcing such a law is silly. It would be like paying for enough cops to catch every traffic infraction in LA. Why bother? Most don't do great harm. Some do, but you've exceeded the speed limit and ran red lights. Illegal immigrants don't steal jobs, they work in jobs you weren't going to take anyway. So you don't really have a case to argue that this law is worth enforcing that much. You care about the law for the law's sake? Then don't vote for Trump again, ask Mueller.
     
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    1. I have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes over the year. So apparently I do have something in my pocket you libs want.

    2. Feel free to give people a free house with your money.

    3. Your idea that giving people free stuff creates a booming economy is pretty comical. Taking money from people that would otherwise be invested in productive enterprises and giving it to parasites hardly seems like a viable economic approach.

    4. I am willing to invest in a wall and/or deportation resources to prevent the expense of jailing illegal criminals. Your option of a free apartment or jail is a false dichotomy.

    5. Your link about Utah is invalid with respect to this discussion. We are talking about illegals. Illegals, get it?

    6. I wouldn't open your mouth until you have paid the taxes I have paid.
     
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    Illegals do murder Americans. Directly or indirectly via driving drunk.

    Mueller? Bahahahahahah.
     
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    Why would any tax paying citizen believe that illegal immigrants should get housing through HUD, when so many citizens and veterans do not get housing through HUD?
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because they’ve been told over and over that illegals and refugees are better people than we are even though the histories of the shitholes they come from say otherwise.
     
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    The Poor are less fortunate than those who are richer and are not fleeing unstable governments.
     
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    You all keep appealing to ignorance of our Constitution and supreme law of the land; but blame the Poor for being illegal. There is nothing implied by right wing fantasy that can be more supreme than any Thing, expressed in our Constitution.

    right wing bigotry and incompetence in the use of our Commerce Clause is the problem.
     
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    yes, you are. you need a valid argument that is superior, not inferior to my arguments. any fallacy means you are the most inferior. it is why, i resort to the fewest fallacies.
     
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    People here legally as well as US citizens murder Americans. Should we ban all people because someone with their same legal standing killed an American? If so, you have to deport the entire country...

    Don't laugh where Mueller can hear you. He hates laughter. It's well documented.
     
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    Over the year? You paid hundreds of thousands in taxes over ONE year? No you didn't.

    Nope, it's WAYYYY cheaper to spread it out and it benefits you too whether you see it or not.

    Paraistes? I see, you see the poor as being poor because they are "bad" people. I actually relish in taking money from people just like you anyway, this is a win-win. Did you read the article?

    What a waste of resources that could be better invested. It's not a false dichotomy, it's what happens. It's backed up by data and facts which I know is like sunlight to your people.

    I expanded the discussion to include all homeless people. Did you not get it? Because you claimed you read the link, but then didn't seem to read anything I wrote? Selective reading? Nah, I think it's all or nothing. The link is valid because anyone who has thier very basic physiological needs met will then try to meet the next set of needs which is making money, which is where we make money. Did you take economics? Just checking.

    Oh yeah? Well by all means, post a 1040. Let's see that AGI and all your investment incomes to go with it! I didn't realize I was internet day chatting with a guy who makes millions, mostly because the ones who do tend to not have time to day internet chat...
     
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    Well the "year" was a typo obviously should have been "years." The most I ever made was close to 300K in a year earned by working. You keep talking about bad v. good in a discussion that is about legal v. illegal. I gather you are some sort of a one world communist. You ask do I know anything about economics? I have read Wealth of Nations. Have you? I give you credit for one thing. You are probably the first person ever to apply Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs to the problem of illegals. Next we will be paying for these people to achieve self actualization.

    Do you work? Pay taxes? Or just go to college? FYI, I was a commie when I was in college but outgrew it once I started paying taxes.
     
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    Oh, OK, my bad. I'm 38 so I've been out of college for a while. And yeah, I've been paying about 28,000 a year in federal income taxes alone for over a decade now. So yes, hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal income taxes alone. And if we paid the rent for homeless people it would amount to pennies on the dollar. If they wound up getting jobs, that's one less person who would use homeless shelters we pay for and food stamps. That's savings as well. And once they start paying taxes form that job, even better. At the very least, they aren't on the streets causing trouble. If they want to lie around high indoors, let them. We let working Americans do that, why not homeless unemployed ones? Oh and calling me a commie does nothing to me. I would rather be called that then ignorant which is what I called you both directly and indirectly below. Heh heh.

    Yes, I own a copy of the Wealth of Nations on my kindle as well as an old hard copy from 8th grade. The United States has little to do with capitalism these days. It's much more about corporatism and the collusion of capital. Limited liability is way bigger threat than illegals ever were. But let's apply his principals to illegals. High tariffs encourage black markets. So that means if we put a tariff on labor by denying cheaper immigrant labor to flow in freely (you wall is a "tax" to do just that), aren't we going against what Adam Smith would want? He would argue labor should be free to compete for jobs just as a baker should be free to compete for customers, right? Limiting the number of immigrants is a tax designed to protect American workers. That's anti-capitalism. American workers should compete with and hopefully win out over immigrants. So you cited the wrong book...

    Now I fully admit my give homes to the homeless isn't endorsed in the book either, but I'm not the one who brought the book up nor would I claim that I'm in line with the book in doing so. Also, I'm limiting my plan to the base of the pyramid, but nice try with the slippery slope argument.
     
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    I can imagine anything, but the truth is that we give incentives for people to come her and have a baby. While the slippery slope argument is usually a good one when discussing what power we give our government, in this case the slope goes in the opposite direction. You justified this issue with "I have a soft spot for children". What stops you from sending them aid in their own country? Bringing them here created a burden on those caring for their own children and their country is no better off.

    We can bring them here and help them with the 30 cents out of every tax dollar so that government employees can enjoy benefits unavailable to the average worker, or you can donate to a reputable charity where 80+% actually gets to the needy and help even more children.

    As far as me thinking it through, I grew up in Los Angeles and have 50 years of real life experience on this issue.
     
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    Nothing stops me. My whole teaching career has been helping impoverished kids. I can't even remember how many times I've helped out my kids financially.

    Kids who were brought here illegally aren't legal residents. What I think HUD's problem is they have kids who were born here, and are U.S. citizens, who have parents here illegally. If they deny the application, they're depriving U.S. citizens of a social safety net.

    Again, these aren't kids who were brought here, but kids who were born here and are American citizens.
     
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    the left should learn how to merely use Capitalism for all of its capital worth in modern capital times.
     
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    LA Protects Hundreds of Thousands of Illegal Aliens—While Section 8 Voucher List is ELEVEN Years Long!

    If you live in Los Angeles and waiting for government financed Section 8 housing vouchers, that means you are looking for low cost housing. The reason the list is ELEVEN years long (not a typo), is because affordable housing is taken up by hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens—creating a shortage for honest people.

    “”Based on our current policy and our ability to pull names from our wait list, it’s an 11-year wait time,” Margarita Lares, director of the Housing Authority of Los Angeles County’s Assisted Housing Division, told LAist. Attention was first drawn to the lengthy waiting list last week, when HACoLA deputy executive director Emilio Salas presented an update to the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors on Tuesday. About 1,000 people out of the 40,000 on the waiting list received housing vouchers last year, according to the Daily News.

    “We need more vouchers,” Lares said. “The Section 8 program is federally funded, and we have a finite number of vouchers.”

    The problem is not enough Federal vouchers—the problem is too many illegal aliens taking up low cost/affordable housing. Mayor Garcetti and the City Council are responsible for this problem—yet the media will never mention that the crisis is caused by illegal aliens protected by government...

    continue -> http://www.capoliticalreview.com/ca...-section-8-voucher-list-is-eleven-years-long/
     
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    I certainly respect that. Just keep in mind that those kids you helped received 100% of your help compared to would would be left if you sent that same money through the government.

    Coming into the country pregnant should never be rewarded. Most of this "assistance" end up funding unnecessary government jobs and pensions.
     
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    I don't want illegals getting housing at all. But "illegal" is not a race, so put that race card back in your pocket.
     
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    No illegal alien should get a dollar in welfare benefits.
     
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    Yeah whats the harm in putting a million+ illegal aliens per year on the welfare rolls.

    I mean every American is living high on the hog.
     
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