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  1. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    Interesting link Moi...that there was such a wide variety of morphology in one place and time is a surprise, this is going to take a lot study and debate to explain it...my initial guess is they're all homo erectus and archeologists just like the rest of us made assumptions of what a classical erectus skull should look like...

    I've posted pictures of modern sapiens skulls on this site and people insisted they weren't sapiens because they didn't match their preconceived image of classical sapiens... but they were contemporary sapiens despite their large brow ridges and elongated skulls...erectus like us, likely had a wide range of morphology...
     
  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem is dogmas. And parrots who repeat dogmas as immutable and absolute. And they call it "Science".
    Consider poor Thor Heyerdahl and his belief HumanKind traveled from the Americas west across the Pacific.
    He tried it with his, Kon Tiki and is still mostly not accepted because we all know,
    they came from Polynesia and Asia to America.

    So what of circumstances as:
    http://news.yahoo.com/man-washes-marshall-islands-39-16-months-adrift-072025025.html
    Majuro (Marshall Islands) (AFP) - An emaciated man whose boat washed up on a remote Pacific atoll this week claims he survived 16 months adrift on the Pacific, floating more than 12,500 kilometres (8,000 miles) from Mexico, a researcher said Friday.

    and

    In 2006, three Mexicans made international headlines when they were discovered drifting, also in a small fibreglass boat near the Marshall Islands, in the middle of the ocean in their stricken boat, nine months after setting out on a shark-fishing expedition.

    Enjoy




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  3. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    When they choose which Genus to categorize a human-like animal they don't use DNA or Evolutionary lines. The "Homo" Genus is a category of specific features, the body type if you will. They want:

    • Bipedal motion (walking on two legs).
    • Walking upright.
    • Increased Brain/skull size.
    • Use, and sophistication, of tools.
    • Decreased sexual dimorphism (Less difference between male and female body types).

    The "habilis" Species had a larger brain size and that tipped the scale in favor of putting it in the Homo Genius, instead of the Australopithecine Genus. It's now the earliest base creature of our Genus, and I think it's also directly in the genetic line of Modern Humans.
     
  4. wyly

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    so you believe a couple lost fisherman populated polynesia by drifting aimlessly across the pacific...you haven't given this any thought at all moi...
     
  5. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh my poor :flagcanada: friend. Expand your in the iddy biddy boxed thinking.

    The Mexicans made an unplanned voyage and demonstrated the possibilities ala Kon Tiki.
    In ancient times, such a happening might have just spread the genome of America to Polynesia.
    Not total population, just a hybridization.

    It could have been a sort of two way happening.
    But, in the box, that iddy biddy box, you MUST believe the dogma. :blankstare:
    What does your daughter say? :blowkiss:



    Moi :oldman:






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  6. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    wisful thinking and psuedoscience get trumped by hard science every time...

    Linguistically, ethnographically and genetically polynesians originated in Melonesia....not the Americas...
     
  7. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The diff is
    <ta-da>
    Origin vs Contribution


    Moi :oldman:





     
  8. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    the diff is evidence vs no evidence..

    .wanting it to be true doesn't make it so...
     
  9. Moi621

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    http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/castaway-says-survived-13-months-sea-160830883--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1
    " Jose Salvador Alvarenga, 37, who says he spent more than a year lost at sea, certainly looked the part of castaway when he arrived in Majuro, the capitol city of the Marshall Islands, today.

    The long-haired fisherman, who had a scruffy beard, smiled and waved to a crowd of onlookers as he clutched what would have been one of his first cans of Coca-Cola since he washed up on the remote Marshall Islands, some 5,500 miles away from Mexico. Despite the ordeal, Alvarenga was still chubby faced. . . . . "


    Just because it is possible; doesn't mean it isn't true.

    Wisdom is as wisdom does.


    You :flagcanada: peoples are so hung up on the dogma of the previous era.
    I would bet until you and your daughter :blowkiss: were confronted with the genome evidence a few years ago
    you :flagcanada:s subscribed to the theory that Neanderthal were totally replaced by a more advanced species
    because that was what you were taught along with never challenge anything.

    A genome from the Americas may well have been planted among Polynesian peoples.
    Maybe even such Americas to Polynesia survivors stimulating the locals to look for the survivors land of origin.
    But no one has proved that, oh well. Couldn't possible be true. Eh ?


    Moi :oldman:
    Thinking is outside the box
    Parroting is inside the box







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  10. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    I'm willing to bet his craft bears zero resemblance to inca craft of the day?...

    when cute cliché become recognized science let me know...

    actually, I wrote a paper some 30 years ago that postulated neanderthal sapiens interbreeding...like Erik Trinkaus's views it wasn't well accepted...



    no it can't, there has been no S American DNA found in Polynesian...the inca didn't have fiberglass and aluminum ocean capable ships...
     
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    the chance that this guy was really adrift for 13 months is zero.

    how does anyone get taken in by this crap?

    day after tomorrow. soon, he will be as exposed as ah, never mind.

    its a hoax.

    - - - Updated - - -

    thers also a lotta cat-nuggets outside the box
     
  12. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    sounds suspicious to me as well, he looks very plump for somone on a very lean diet....
     
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    Castaway says faith helped him survive 13 months adrift in Pacific...
    :angel:
    Faith and fish: Castaway recounts how he survived 13 months adrift in Pacific
    Tue February 4, 2014 ~ "I thought, 'I am going to get out,'" he says in an interview with CNN; He says he considered killing himself when he ran out of food and water; Identified as Jose Salvador Alvarenga, he says he lived off turtles and rainwater while adrift; Mexico says he is an El Salvador national who was living in a Mexican state
     
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    If it is true, scurvy free too, then yes its goddidit, a miracle.
     
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    a lot of questions come to mind you hear stories like this....I wouldn't say it's completely impossible but I'm very skeptical...what would be the point, is he writing a book? Or a movie deal like Life of Pi...who was the other dead passenger, did he exist, did he kill him? Why was a 15 yr old with an unrelated 37 yr old adult? Is he a fugitive?
     
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    Well he is pretty chubby for a castaway.
     
  17. Moi621

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    I saw one article on this event that referenced another occurrence of the same feat.
    So even it this event was staged, it has happened before.

    It only serves to show some poor paleo Indian of the Americas could have ended up sharing his genome in Polynesia.
    The Polynesians could have thus been stimulated to paddle east. Or not.


    Moi :oldman:
    Just because it could have, doesn't mean it didn't.





     
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    Could you try for a little more fire and a lot less smoke? So much space you take up with nothing!
     
  19. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What kind of HumanKind were these folks.
    Were they our species?

    http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-800-000-old-footprints-uk-114052260.html
    Scientists find 800,000-year-old footprints in UK

    Archaeologists announced Friday that they have discovered human footprints in England that are between 800,000 and 1 million years old — the most ancient found outside Africa, and the earliest evidence of human life in northern Europe. . . . .

    A team from the British Museum, London's Natural History Museum and Queen Mary college at the University of London uncovered imprints from up to five individuals in ancient estuary mud at Happisburgh on the country's eastern coast. . . . . .

    They were left by a group, including at least two children and one adult male. . . . . .


    Remember:
    that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars
    These foot prints may have been from a small group trying to survive after a calamity.
    Cultured and knocked back to the "stone age" :smile:



    Moi :oldman:





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  20. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is "The Stone Age" a universal mark of development of PeopleKind?

    I mean certainly The Copper or Metal Age is, but Stone development is not the same.
    Moi ponders if a "Bamboo Age" in Asia substituted for the Stone Age in Africa and Europe.
    Bamboo having structural as well as weapon uses.
    Also, Asiatics did not develop single point weapons but, were more likely to mount sharp chips in a shaft, Aztec style.
    Bamboo as well as sharp chips would not leave much of a reliable archeological record.
    So I guess we can only ponder.


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    Where does Sasquatch fit into all this? I mean, will no one think of the Big Guy?
     
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    The problem is trying to define "modern man"
    when we have continuity through continuous hybridization
    and great variations among a single population as found in
    that cave in the nation of Georgia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmanisi_skull_5
    The variation in morphology of all the Dmanisi skulls is so large that had they been discovered on different archaeological sites, they most likely would have been classified as different species.
    Skull 5 has a smaller brain case 546cc and the other four between 601 and 730cc.

    And we know "something" was very resourceful in China earlier than "modern man".



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