Humor me, what’s wrong with drilling?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Actually it says they're rich enough to indulge the green, and don't give a crap how that impacts the lower 90% of residents.

    Wealth disparity is about the best indicator of corruption there is. And when those on the receiving end go Stockholm Syndrome and actually support the moves which got them there, it becomes something worse than mere corruption.
     
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    XXJefferson#51 Well-Known Member

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    Because we are going to keep our gas engine cars and we are going to drive them just as much as we did before to do what we did before. The cuts in our budget will come from elsewhere or savings. We will ride this regime out no matter their costs until they are gone and we can go back to pre Biden normal. We will defy him and his energy policies to the end come what may.
     
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    XXJefferson#51 Well-Known Member

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    There’s nothing model about this state at all except the yellow portions of it!
     
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    We will not stop using oil and gas until it is all gone. It's not just used for fuel. It's used in thousands of products you use every single day. You wouldn't even have the device you are using to post on this forum without petroleum and its byproducts...
     
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    Yea but if we can stop using it for fuel that will extend its life for other things.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the ceo's of the oil companies say they do not want prices to go down is why

    "Gas prices are high. Oil CEOs reveal why they're not drilling more"

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/24/energy/gas-prices-oil-production-wall-street/index.html
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    maybe the government should drill and use the profits to pay off the debt
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, thus the dangers of the USA running out of oil first

    we should use cheap foreign oil first, save our oil for our children as much as possible... cause imagine their world if we ran out first

    there is no shortage of oil, no long lines at the pump, no gas restrictions, in fact we are still exporting oil
     
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    Like with the largest source of renewable energy in the US - nuclear power. The safest source of energy currently known to man.
     
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    It's a step in the right direction.
    If we had adopted Carter's energy plans in the 70s, we would be a lot further down the road right now, but Reagan scuppered them and plowed ahead with conspicuous consumption, and here we are today.
    The same goes with manufacturing. In a war, the country with the most capable factories usually wins, and we abandoned our industrial capabilities to maximize profits on the backs of sweatshop and factory workers in third world nations.
    We need to wean ourselves off both foreign dependence on energy and cheap foreign labor doing our jobs for us.
     
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    Yet they have a hard time funding public pensions....

    https://www.mendocinocounty.org/Home/ShowDocument?id=37604
     
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    If a country continues to use oil, it is disincentivised to come up with other sources of energy.
     
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    The underlined is not socially accurate but it does highlight a point that we do have a consumption problem. Currently we consume at a rate that requires us to run to Costco every hour to "stockpile". To add to that, you are now claiming we need to run to "run to Costco" every 30 min now, when initially it was once a month. By the way, the kids are selling our stockpile to the neighbors for profit, and are claiming we arnt making enough trips (aka granting more land leases).
    As conservatives, they should realize oil is our national currency, and we should cut back on spending, aka drilling to export. And focus on our consumption problem and why we have to drill so much. Alternative energy exists.
     
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    The right answer to the OP is government power and control. You can argue climate change until you are blue in the face but the problem gets down to the basic difference between the left and right. The left sees government as the solution to problems. The right sees it as the source of problems. I don't think anyone is against alternative energy. It boils down to who handles the reins - government or private sector. The left wants to shove it down people's throats with government authoritarianism and the right wants things to progress naturally, left to the private sector. What could be more obvious?
     
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    The fact that other sources of energy aren't yet ready to fill the gap is immaterial?
     
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    First, there is no "mass extinction like we're seeing now" happening, beyond what's normal. In fact, to the extent humanity has had any influence on extinctions, it is to have prevented them in species that absent our interventions, would now be extinct. But 90%+ of all species that have existed on this planet at some point are now extinct, so it is quite normal.

    Second, the Earth has never had a stable climate, it's always getting warmer or getting cooler. But whichever direction it happens to go at any particular time, rest assured it will eventually reverse and go the other way. With exceptions (such as a meteor impact or a massive volcano eruption that puts most or all of the Earth in a shadow), these process take thousands of years, which is well beyond the lifetime of any individuals. Someone posted some chart the other day that showed that the tides in Key West have risen a whole 6" over the last century. At that rate, it will take 15,600 years for the water to reach my doorstep and I live in a coastal county in Florida.

    For the medium term future, all we're going to have to do is build some seawalls a bit higher than they are now, but that's easy. 15,000 years from now, who knows, perhaps much of Florida will be underwater, as well as NYC, but humanity will just have to improvise, adapt, and overcome.

    All this Chicken Little nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Yes, the temps seem to be gradually increasing, but as far as we are concerned, it's a great big nothingburger.
     
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    Ok, let’s look at the reality here, what country would be a better place to drill for oil than America? Does anyone think Venezuela, Russia or the Middle East would do a better job drilling in an environmentally friendly manner? Does anyone think those countries would take all the precautions we do? Does anyone think they would have more regulations and oversight than we do? Also, the oil we get from those countries is shipped by fossil fuel burning ships, ships that wouldn’t be needed if we didn’t import oil.

    From an environmental outlook, it’s better if we drilled here instead of importing oil. Plus we would get the jobs and profits.
     
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    Oil companies can drill more if they want to. It isn't illegal.
     
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    Not gonna happen anytime soon. All of the equipment used to mine for resources for electric vehicles run on, you guessed it, fossil fuels. As does every piece of equipment used to transport and install wind towers...
     
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    It's not difficult to find answers to your question. All of these reports cover the same basic reasons;

    https://www.npr.org/2022/03/19/1086...t might seem like a,here in the United States.
    https://www.worldoil.com/news/2022/...o-drill-more-here-s-why-they-re-holding-back/
    https://time.com/collection-post/6156525/gas-prices-oil-prices-oil-and-gas-industry/
     
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    Biofuels aren't the answer either, because you now have a food source that is also being used as a fuel source. It would drive up the price of the food source, and require even more land and water use.
     
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    I think the context of the OP (and I'm sure OP will correct me if I'm wrong) is 'Whats wrong with drilling here over drilling elsewhere?'

    The answer is nothing. If we drill here, we can do it more environmentally responsibly than elsewhere where we don't have regulatory authority. The only way not drilling here helps reduce climate change is if we also don't drill elsewhere. But thats not happening. We're still burning oil, we're just paying more money to less responsible (and often more warlike) entities to drill instead. Thats doesn't help reduce climate change.
     
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    If you're wanting a straight answer, because emitting CO2 into the atmosphere goes against the ideological religious bent of Democrats and the left, and they could stop people from doing that if they got rid of fossil fuels.
     
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    California has serious issues with stupid levels of taxation and way too much overregulation. There's a reason people are fleeing places like CA for more welcoming, less expensive, and more lightly regulated States, but for some reason they flee those things, but still vote for politicians who promise to do those things in their new States.
     
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