Hundreds of migrants cross Arizona border after 'several busloads' dropped off in Mexico

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  1. Josephwalker

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    As you can clearly see there are plenty of opportunities for increased border walls to mitigate instances such as these. Any denial of this reality is pure politics.

    CNN)In the early morning hours Thursday, several busloads of migrants were dropped off on Highway 2 in Mexico, just south of the Arizona border.

    "They walked about 100 yards, climbed under and over the vehicle barrier that is the only infrastructure in that area and agents were called in to make the arrest," said acting Tucson Border Patrol Chief Jeffrey Self.

    In total, 242 people -- mostly families from Guatemala -- were arrested when Border Patrol agents arrived at the scene after the migrants were detected by a mobile surveillance system."

    "Earlier this month, Border Patrol agents stationed in the Yuma, Arizona, sector took around 375 migrants into custody after they had made it into the United States. Last week, a group of 306 migrants were taken into custody in a remote part of New Mexico near the border.

    In Arizona earlier this month, agents encountered a group of 85 Central Americans after they arrived by bus and illegally entered the country in the same general area of Thursday's crossing.

    In December, Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan raised concerns that a new trend was emerging of very large groups of migrants arriving at the southern border by bus and unloading in remote areas.

    "So far in this fiscal year, and this has been a brand-new phenomenon this fiscal year, we have started to see extremely large groups arrive together several times, usually once or twice a week since about mid-October," said McAleenan in December.

    The trend appears to be continuing into the new year."

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/28/politics/migrants-arizona-arrests/index.html

    And I'm sure the response from the left will be so what, we caught them proving we don't need border barriers. Well here is so what. The new tactic is to get across the border and seek asylum. Then you are released to await a court date which can take up to two years. Then you can potentially legally work or just disappear into some sanctuary city.


    What happens to asylum seekers who are not granted refugee status? That’s where the political fight really heats up. The Trump Administration says the problem is that after asylum seekers pass their credible-fear interviews, they are released from custody to await their date in immigration court—a -system Trump calls “catch and release.” With a backlog of 791,821 cases, new court dates are often months or years in the future. In fiscal year 2018, immigration judges completed just over 34,000 cases originating with a credible-fear referral, according to federal data. In nearly a third of those cases—10,534—migrants failed to show up at their scheduled court hearing.

    Krikorian, the immigration hard-liner, sees evidence of bad faith at every stage of the asylum process. “Half of the people who say they have a fear and want to apply for asylum never bother after they are let go into the country,” he says. From 2008 to 2018, 53% of migrants who submitted to a credible-fear interview actually filed for asylum, according to federal data. He also claims that some who do apply for asylum expect to be denied but can benefit in the meanwhile: if more than 180 days elapse without a decision on a migrant’s immigration case, the migrant becomes eligible for a work permit. “They know they are going to be turned down,” he says, “but they get a year or two in the U.S. while they’re working.”"

    http://time.com/longform/asylum-seekers-border/
     
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    Another one of those threads liberals run and hide from. Facts and truth are not their friends.
     
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    Simple question: Where was the Boder Patrol?
    Who discovered these hundreds of illegals?

    Instead of calling like a broken record over and over again for the idiotic wall, one should sometimes take effective measures, which then bring a border security.
     
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    time to pass new legislation that one need make it deep into the usa, not just merely crossing an imaginary/arbitrary line in the sand/dirt/mud/rock/water, before actually stating that they 'made it here'... they should get nothing more than a return trip back to that 'bus stop' on the mexican side...
     
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    Speaking of broken records did I not anticipate this exact response?


     
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    Trump is trying to do exactly that and meeting a stiff headwind from people who also oppose border barriers which proves they want these people caught and released.

    "DHS plans to begin turning asylum-seekers back to Mexico to await court dates
    Immigrant and civil rights organizations have threatened to sue the Trump administration over the policy, known as Migration Protection Policy, which Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen announced was coming in her congressional testimony in December.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...sylum-seekers-back-mexico-await-court-n962401
     
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    And you are acting like a wall isn't an effective measure?

    Sure thing Mr. Anti-American German
     
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    Exactly except "here" is a location where natural barriers make crossing time consuming and laborious giving border agents opportunity to interdict and "here" acts as a funnel which makes border guard deployment more efficient. Good barriers where people can simply run across the border in short order forces them to cross instead where interdiction is more effective and successful illegal entry into the US can be more effectively thwarted.
     
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    I see what you are saying.

    Surveillance and fast reaction units actually WORK in preventing illegal border crossing. Boy what an argument for Trump's wall.
     
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    They don't seem to have a problem catching them.
    Why are you afraid to attack the root cause of them coming here.... Jobs. By comparison it's free.
     
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    Instead of partial barriers we need to stop the programs that bring them here.
    If we make it less attractive than what they are leaving then they will stop coming.

    How many miles of walls do we have along our northern border?
     
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    Actually they do have a problem catching them.
    "Barely half of illegal border crossers caught, according to Homeland Security report"
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...-border-crossing-captures-20161006-story.html

    As for the root cause that is changing from job seekers to asylum seekers. We can't absorb all the refugees from the failed states to our south.
    Secondly we have an issue with violent gangs that are in large part why we have all these asylum seekers attempting to set up shop in America and spread their gang activity throughout our country. We need a secure border between us and them.
     
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    See post #13
     
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    thanks the confirmation that increased border security spending is working.
     
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    If you are satisfied with barely half of illegals being apprehended at the border and call that "working" I won't argue with you. I on the other hand see it as failing with those numbers. In the eye of the beholder I guess.
     
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    I have a question.
    Lets say we build a wall on the US side of the Rio Grand.
    Does that mean the river now belongs to Mexico along with the strip of land on our side?
    Or is it still ours and we have to give asylum to the people that stand on the Mexico side of the fence?
    Just curious.
     
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    Let's relocate alligators to the Rio Grande.
     
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    Yes I do, becuase it is a superfluos pece of tax money wasting for the US.

    Sure ... very sure Mr. "I believe Trump all" American ...

    And I am not Anti-America, I am Anti Trump ... but I know, for you this is the same, eh?
     
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    Lol ... so you really believe the wall wouldf have prevented this? O dear ...

    But lets talk about the wall you so heavy love and demand. Why shall the US tax payer pay these 5 billion USD please?
    Wasn't it Trump who told again and again that Mexico will pay for it, eh?

    I know ...the Trumponians try to tell the people that this is only some sort of pre-financing the wall and Mexico will later pay etc.

    So ask your hero and idol in the White House in detail about when and how Mexico will pay for it please! You will get no answer, because this moron has no clue and at least this is one of the many lies of Trumps which his brainless followers believe and defend as truth.
     
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    Certain areas like that have been discussed and guarded points of access for locals that want to recreate in those areas has been proposed as a solution.
     
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    So the wall goes down the middle of the river?
     
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    Read my post again and THINK
     
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    Yeah, I had trouble with recreate. I wasn't sure if that meant making love down by the river or what.
    But after interpreting what you typed I guess what you mean is that the illegals don't need to climb the wall, they can just swim the river and claim asylum and the border patrol will let them in thru the gate. Did I get it?
     
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