Hyperbole

Discussion in 'Immigration' started by unkotare, Mar 18, 2022.

  1. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    Let's be VERY clear: Illegal immigration is a serious problem, and the government is remiss to the point of malfeasance in not controlling our borders. However, there is far too much hyperbole thrown about regarding illegal aliens. They are NOT "invaders," nor are all or even a majority here to commit personal, heinous crimes against US citizens. Most are here seeking a better life for any number of reasons that do not include animosity towards America or Americans.

    AGAIN, this is in no way any excuse or encouragement for illegal immigration, and I do NOT support "open borders."
     
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    When they begin arriving in such numbers that the push to make their language more of a normal accepted part of our own culture, and in some cases to even replace ours....

    And yes it is an invasion.

    Not an armed invasion but an invasion of replacement.

    Back in the days of our grandparents immigrants considered one of their primary first duties to learn the language of their adopted Nation.. . Now you have people coming here that have been here for a couple of decades and barely speak a lick of English
     
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  3. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    Just like today. "Back in the days" immigrants who were older and found work that did not require English didn't learn it very well either. Their children did. Their children's children mostly spoke only English, even at home. JUST LIKE TODAY.
     
  4. unkotare

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    Just like "back in the days."
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I went to my local Walmart today and they were playing music in Spanish on the public speakers.

    I hear Spanish spoken around here all the time even by the younger generations. Probably 50% of this town is Hispanic. I'm not saying we don't all get along for the most part but it's a reality
     
  6. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    Since LONG before the founding of The United States of America there were MANY speakers of MANY other languages in this land. English is, and will remain, the dominant language in The United States of America. Relax.
     
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    Oh no! Did you call 911?
     
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    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    How do you get through the day?
     
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    Speaking of hyperbole, since you want to use it in bad faith I'm done with your thread.
     
  10. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    Americans have "heard" other Americans speaking Spanish (and lots of other languages) since well before we officially became a country. English still is, and shall remain, the dominant language in this country.
     
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    And with this one last post I'll give you a tip....

    When you butcher and alter someone else's post you're supposed to let a few posts go in between so the people who are reading can't immediately see that you have butchered an altered the context of someone else's post.

    And with that I shall say... Good day sir! I said good day!
     
  12. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    I wish you good luck dealing with the trauma of overhearing languages you don't understand. You can pull through! Meanwhile, English will remain the dominant language in The United States.
     
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    This is exactly the kind of hyperbole I was referring to.
     
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    "Back in the days" there were no social welfare system to latch on to, and a third of immigrants returned home because they couldn't make it here. Now, there is no reason to go home because the social welfare net provides a protection against that.

    There was strong social pressure to assimilate and speak English, something that is far less evident today.

    These days are not "Back in the days" days.
     
  15. unkotare

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    Tens of thousands of immigrants to the US return to their countries of origin each year.
    There is strong social, familial, and economic pressure to acquire English TODAY. No one knows this better than immigrants.
     
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    OK I guess it's 1910.
     
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    It's 2022.
     
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    All of your views on immigration seem to date from a century ago.
     
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    They are all current.
     
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    Irrelevant. They're economic 'migrants', and they're illegal.

    Other Third World peoples who want the economic opportunity (to work hard and support themselves) that America provides, find ways to migrate legally. It's outrageous that one group is allowed to queue jump at the cost of those trying to migrate honourably. Outrageous, unfair, unjust, and discriminatory. They should be obliged to do it exactly the same way Indians, Chinese, Africans etc all have to do it. If it doesn't work, too bad. It doesn't work for millions of Indian, Chinese, and Africans either - but at least equity in likelihood means no one group is outrageously favoured.
     
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    I made it very clear at the outset that this thread was not an excuse for illegal immigration.
     
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    Except that you seem to believe their motivation (economic migration) makes it acceptable. I could be wrong, and happy to stand corrected if that's the case.
     
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    You are.
     
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    ~ Welcome to Los Angeles ...:sun::relax: " You speak ah Spanish..? "

    ~ Not the ones who cross our borders illegally — predominantly from Latin America. The failure of these groups to assimilate is actually insulting and encouraged by Federal Government and many American cities.
     
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    Of course neither of us were there "back in the day," but it is not my impression that as many immigrants back then, typically went their whole lives without learning English (though I don't endorse the other views of that crybaby, who to you'd mocked, so humorously). It would be interesting to know the past percentages, but I doubt the data is available for anything except literacy rate, which I would not imagine differentiated between English speaking illiterates, and those who just don't know our language.

    Nevertheless, while not in disagreement with your OP, I think Lil Mike is right, about there having been a different attitude about learning the new language. There are probably many factors that play into this. Some were certainly economic-- though I would not advocate for removing our social safety net. Some were probably "social"-- but I would not be in favor the kind of discrimination of the past, which was far worse, than it is today. There were also, likely some cultural factors involved, as many more of our immigrants were European, back then. Plus, our own culture has gone through some changes too-- as our job market, surely has, as well. So I think that "just like 'back in the days,'" is not really accurate.


     

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