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  1. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    Yes, them too.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    If you're going to sit here and insult me like a child at least have the sack to do it to my face and not behind my back.
     
  3. unkotare

    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    There were of course many who did, or at least acquired relatively little, back then as well. There are many family histories of the immigrant family where an older member never did really manage to speak much at all. Think of the old Italian grandmother who never left the tenement apartment except to buy groceries from an Italian grocer. Just like today, her adult children made an effort and acquired English to a degree. Usually enough to be just about functional in simple exchanges. Just like today, the grandmother's grandchildren would often be the family translators when needed, even at a young age. Their children typically spoke English only even at home. Immigrants with more education before arriving in America would be more likely to attain fluency sooner and more completely.

    Just like today.
     
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    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    Your face isn't anywhere on a discussion board.
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    You can't really make up your mind, as to what you want, can you? I will refresh your memory, of your most recent replies to me:


    And you are now saying that, from all those replies, I should have received the message that you do want me to make sure that you get my alerts?


    From my experience, the only reasons you seem to want my replies, are either to follow them with an insult, from you-- & I'll note that in your indignant post, at top, you do manage to work in a couple of gratuitous, cheap- shots: calling me childish, and implying that I would be, for God only knows what reason, afraid of you-- or to pester me into making a very frank comment back to you, which would allow you to then play the victim card, and make me seem like the unpleasant one. To wit:



    It is not a lack of "sack," that kept me from mentioning you by name; it was:
    1) your own requests;
    2) your rude replies;
    3) my boredom with your petty games.
     
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  6. Collateral Damage

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    How many millions of dollars are removed from the US economy by way of 'sending money home'?

    Yes, from 2017. Don't think it's gone down since then....

    Immigrants In The U.S. Sent Over $148 Billion To Their Home Countries In 2017 [Infographic] (forbes.com)

    Record $120 billion sent home to 3 top nations flooding US with illegal immigrants | Washington Examiner
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's an astute observation, that hadn't occurred to me: that the likely much higher proportion of Latin American immigrants of today, who've received a lesser degree of education at home, than our average European immigrant once did, would make mastering English more difficult for them, as a group. Interesting.
     
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    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    https://www.gilderlehrman.org/histo...ce/literacy-and-immigration-undesirables-1903
     
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    Of course it does.
     
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    The removal of funds from the US economy, is not the same as the job impact et al discussed in your link.
     
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    If you read the link, it talks about how much immigrants put into the economy.
     
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    I actually am 'open borders' to an extent. A healthy, prosperous and well-governed nation would have little reason to control border travel.

    But then my idea of a healthy, prosperous and well-governed nation has plenty of jobs, very restrictive requirements for accessing social safety nets and a civil defense network that makes violent crime too dangerous to be worth trying. Basically no encentive for anyone to come here except those we want coming here anyway.

    Until thats us, immigration must be controlled.
     
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    But does it mention what (money) they send out of the country?

    Anyone can earn money, and put it back into the economy, but most US citizens don't send money out of the country. So they aren't putting in anything other people put in. But they do take it out.
     
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    How about you read the entire link first?
     
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    I read it before, and I read it again. Nothing has changed.

    Let's make this simple. How much money do US citizens send out of the country?
     
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    Are you counting companies that outsource labor and manufacturing?
     
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    Are you counting foreign aid?
     
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    No.
     
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    No.

    Your questions are on a different subject.
     
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    He was talking about how much is taken OUT of the economy.
     
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    Was I talking to you?
     
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    And, your fall back position is laughter.
     

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