Hypothetical war with Iran

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    I love people who like to live in their fantasy worlds. And look merely for confirmation of their fantasies.

    You can take a tour of Iran on your own. No need to even leave your computer. See if this looks like a 'crippled' country or economy, even with the Covid-19 pandemic to add to the US campaign of maximum pressure. Google Earth-Iran is your friend. Take the opportunity and see for yourself.
    You have to start somewhere: you can start with the Milad Tower HERE and go in any direction you wish. With a simple movement of your cursor, you can travel faster than if you were actually in Tehran. And while you can't zoom as closely as I would have liked, you can zoom enough to get the picture you need.
     
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    https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...es/traveladvisories/iran-travel-advisory.html

    Only Iranian sympathizers (luckily there aren't many) believe this propaganda lol
     
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    A war between America and Iran would be what we used to called a "two hit fight" on the playground.

    America would hit Iran, and Iran would hit the ground.
     
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  5. Iranian Monitor

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    cute.
     
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    Google earth has, according to them, a 1.008% view of Iran. I'm assuming the government of Iran doesn't want google earth to project the truth. North Korea has the worst google earth percentage.

    The highest %:

    The United States, 74%
    United Kingdom, 73%
    Germany, 71%

    Google earth is your best defense? LOL!!
     
  7. Iranian Monitor

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    Does Iran control Google Earth? You need to ask them why their resolution isn't as good as you like. I don't think they use Iranian satellite imagery:)
     
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    No, Iran controls who from google can use imagery. Odd how they only chose 116 landmarks...

    Why is it that Iran refused to let the other 98% of the country be shown? :)
     
  9. Iranian Monitor

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    I am no expert on Google Earth, but I doubt Iran has a vote on what google earth can show. And what you say doesn't seem accurate at all, since if you go to the link I posted, by a simple movement of your cursor, you can travel anywhere without any limitation.

    Just try it before you engage in the usual tactics of divert and distort.
     
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    Iran, much like North Korea, has a very simple technology that can block geospatial imagery...
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

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    Please cite ANY source to support (a) that Iran does what you mention, (b) that you can't do what I am able to do (and you would be able to do), namely move your cursor and travel all over Iran. At least, all over the major cities. (I suppose its possible that Google Earth doesn't have enough demand for some rural village out of no where, but I have NOT tried it. All the major cities can easily be traveled and 75% of Iranians live in major urban areas covering a small percentage of the landmass).
     
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    Ok, I will take a look. You have been respectful enough to view my posts, I should show you the same respect. I'll view it.
     
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    Maybe I need a new graphics card on my computer because once you try and zoom in, it's completely pixelated.
     
  14. Iranian Monitor

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    I don't know what is a graphics card, but on my computer, you need to let the program download 100%. And then you can move around easily. Of course, you can only zoom up to a point before the picture gets blurry, but that point shouldn't prevent you from getting a better impression of the country (at least all of its major cities, which are fully covered, not just landmarks but ALL of the city of Tehran and other cities). For instance, I easily was able to find where my parents are living right now, where I used to live, and see anywhere else I wanted to focus on.
     
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    I just tried to open this on my wife's new computer. You can only zoom into a giant blur. In fact, the city looks like one giant slum from these views.

    I imagine the sanctions are taking their toll.
     
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    I encourage everyone (whatever they decide they are seeing) to see for themselves.

    I am not sure where this idea that Google-Earth doesn't show 99% of Iran comes from? Maybe they have listed things other than major monuments, but you can move your cursor and get out of the cities and go to even out of place locations. I just did that. I also checked some villages/towns like this one HERE and could not only see the village, but everything around it. While this is not a typical village, but a tourist type place, I could also check other villages moving my cursor that had no particular tourist attraction.

    Anyway, those who want the truth, can find it. Those who like to believe what they wish, are free to do so as well.
     
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    All we can see is a very far away vision of Iran. There's no street view like normal countries.
     
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    I love to show Iran to people who really don't know the country. If Google-Earth doesn't help, and if you need to look at the country from some other sources besides what I will show, you can perhaps try the myriad of sites that include videos, pictures, and reports from those who have visited Iran. For tourists, a site like Trip Advisor is probably the most comprehensive. While these are mainly Iran's tourist attractions, they are actually relevant to understanding America's real trump card against Iran, namely its ability to engage in aerial vandalism. Never mind, there have been quite a few occasions when Trump has suggested even Iran's cultural sites can be a direct target for US forces (something he eventually took back, but which could in any case suffer from the 'collateral damage' of war).

    Anyway, I will follow the plan I saw from a site that divided Iran's historical and cultural sites into different categories. And will try to show you each, category by category. These pictures will show the things about Iran that I cherish the most -- and which I hope will never be vandalized and destroyed by hooligans the way many of Iran's best cultural sites were destroyed by other vandals and hooligans in its long stretch of history: from Alexander burning down the greatest city of the ancient world, Persepolis (Parsa), to the Arabs under Umar destroying some of Iran's cultural centers (especially, as is narrated by contemporary accounts, Iran's greatest libraries), to the Mongols trying to destroy the entire edifice of urban culture in Iran.
     
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    I will start with Iran's "Best Public Squares" in this post. For a description of these monuments from visitors, and further information about them, you can visit Trip Advisor and Wikipedia. Or any other site you trust.

    The Best Squares in Iran

    1-
    NAGHSHE JAHAN SQUARE (Isfahan)
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    Some of the main attractions within this square, representing monuments mostly dating to the Safavid dynasty in Iran (1501-1726), and considered the largest after China's Tienanmen Square, are the following:
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    2- AMIR CHAKHMAQ SQUARE (Yazd)
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    3- Azadi Square (Tehran)

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    The Best Bridges in Iran

    1- Si-o-se Pol Bridge (Isfahan, Iran - constructed between 1599-1602)
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    2- Khaju Bridge (Isfahan, Iran, construction end 1650)

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    3- Old Bridge of Dezful (Dezful, Iran -- constructed in 260 AD by Roman prisoners of war during the reign of Shapur I of the Sassanian dynasty in Iran)
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    The old bridge (parts of which had collapsed) are connected to a newer bridge built during the Pahlavi dynasty.
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    4- Tabiat Bridge (Tehran, Iran -- constructed in 2010-14, it is the largest pedestrian crossing in Tehran (
    despite its recent vintage, has become a popular site including for the many parks and attractions around this bridge)
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    5- Veresk Bridge (Mazanderan, Iran -- constructed in 1937 (the bridge was constructed as part of Reza Shah's transnational Iranian railway project, but became famous during WWII after the allies invaded and occupied Iran -- and used the bridge to supply the Soviets with arms, calling it the "Bridge to Victory")

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    There are many, many, other famous bridges all over Iran, but these would be the most notable ones in my book.
     
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    I need to give it a break for now and rest a bit. Next categories that I like to focus on will be: Palaces, Museums, Mosques, Bazaars and Shopping Centers, and Castles, devoting each post to one of these categories to show the best from each.
     
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    My view is that Iran should ignore the warning, like it has ignored many such warnings in the past, not because I want a war, but because I think that is the best way to avoid it. However, those in Iran who believe appeasement works with the forces lined up against Iran (I don't), have been busy trying to convince Iran's Supreme Leader that its best to tone down areas of potential conflict until the next US presidential election. To me, it won't make any difference -- and will instead become a "new precedent" upon which the US will build on (whoever becomes POTUS to continue its hostile policies towards Iran. (The only real difference with Trump, in this regard, is that he has tried to establish some "new precedents" more quickly and in a more brazen fashion than some other US president might have).

    Incidentally, I noticed a piece yesterday by an "expert" (I can't vouch for his expertise) on an issue that we have been discussing, namely the vulnerability of US aircraft carriers in a confrontation with Iran. The piece has plenty of comments I disagree with (and found more a reflection of someone who is trying to peddle propaganda or has been too exposed to propaganda to know better), some which I agree with even if I arrive at those points very differently, but here is what he had to say on that point (which accurate reflects the US military's current assessment/view on the subject IMO):

    https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/k...-still-deterred-by-american-aircraft-carriers
    Op-Ed: Yes, Iran is still deterred by American aircraft carriers
    I will post the part relevant to our discussion in its entirety. I just wish the US military wouldn't try to make its a part of this nonsense about changing the historic name for the Persian Gulf to the "Arabian Gulf" [sic]!
     
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    Okay, to go back to more pleasant thoughts, and to continue where I had left off:

    Iran's Best Palaces

    1- PERSEPOLIS (near Shiraz, Iran, constructed sometime in 6th century BC) (Not much remains of the number #1 in my list, as Persepolis (the Greek name for the palace of the Achaemenid emperors at the ancient capital of Iran, PARSA), as Persepolis -- by far the greatest city in the ancient world and the ceremonial palace of the Achaemenid emperors of Iran -- was burned down by a hooligan, Alexander, who later regretted being one, trying instead to build his empire on the fusion of Macedonian and Persian traditions and races). But even that which remains is worth seeing:
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    representatives of different nations giving tribute to the "Great King"
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    2- Chehel Sotoun (Isfahan, Iran -- constructed in the 16th century by Shah Abbas to entertain his guests, the Chehel Sotoun is a museum of the art and culture of the Safavid dynasty in Iran)
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    4- Ali Qapu Palace (Isfahan, Iran -- the residential palace of Shah Abbas and the other kings of the Safavid dynasty (1501-1726), this palace is part of the collection of monuments in the Naghshe-Jahan square in Isfahan.
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    The interior ceilings and walls:
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    3- Golestan Palace (Tehran, Iran -- the palace was first build in the 18th century by a Safavid monarch, renovated subsequently, and expanded by the Qajar dynasty who ruled from 1796-1925 and used it as their official residence when they moved Iran's capital to Tehran)
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    And the Shamsal Amareh building which is part of the Golestan Palace complex
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    Hall of Mirrors in the Golestan Palace:
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    There is much more to show in this category, but these would be my favorites.
     
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    Iran does have an extremely interesting culture. I disagree with them politically obviously but if you're interested in spreading Iranian pictures, I suggest making a thread. There's a thread in the casual section called "Russia in Pictures" where a Russian poster here shows us real-time photos of the country. It's very cool to see places I've never been.

    Maybe start an "Iran in Pictures" thread? I'd view them.
     

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