I accept evolution, BUT why are we sooooo damn different from other animals ?

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When scientists list the most intelligent non-human animals, here's the typical list;
    1. Chimpanzee
    2. Gorilla
    3. Orangutan
    4. Baboon
    5. Gibbon
    6. Monkey
    7. Killer whale and several other so-called toothed whale species
    8. Dolphin
    9. Elephant
    10. Pig

      Can we really say any of these animals have created anything, discovered anything, or live in a society as complicated as the ones we have created throughout the world ?

      The religions say we are different than animals for this reason - I'm curious how we evolution accepters truly explain this hyper evolution we are seeing in humans. Even more recently, we have seen man go from having horse drawn carriages to putting a man on the moon within 100 years. It just doesn't make sense, sometimes.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The reality is that there are very few truly intelligent people. A lot of people are smart and clever but are not truly intelligent. Countless people are no more intelligent than pigs.
     
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    several other hominids use tools.
     
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    Crows can plan ahead.
     
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    elephants mourn their dead
     
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    Chimps can cook with fire.
     
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    It makes perfect sense. Our intelligence is very useful, so evolution favours it. Our intelligence lets us not only use tools, but construct complex strategies, chains of tools, refining tools, and explicit learning is extremely helpful, both in getting food and avoiding being eaten.

    As for the last 100 years or so, that's not really biological evolution, at least not directly. Evolution has developed our intelligence to the point that we can learn from others and from history (and in large quantities). This means that we can accumulate knowledge fast, even if our biology stays the same.

    Newton and Galileo were smarter than whoever came up with the moon landing, but the people who came up with the moon landing had learned more from history (Newton and Galileo included). That's not the biological evolution of humanity, that's just accumulation of knowledge.
     
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    What set us apart was:
    1: Bipedalism which allowed us to walk on two legs and freeing our hands.
    2: Highly functional hands previously used by apes for climbing to make good tools.
    3: Apes had traces of this evolution. Chimps often use primitive tools like sticks to do things, have brains advanced enough to learn basic sign language, are able to lie and are somewhat clever, and have more advanced brains than almost all other animals.
    4: Human evolution expanded the frontal lobe and greatly expanded higher intelligence.
    5: We became intelligent enough to pass down discoveries to the next generation. This is important because often every generation of animals often have to re-learn stuff which stifles advancement.
     
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    Sounds like a lot of chance to me. Solution?? Just keep adding a few billion years.
     
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    We may be intelligent, but I'm sure we're more advanced. Look at the wars, destruction, killing and raping that we do, the destruction of our planet, the lying cheating and stealing. Chimps would be ashamed to be human.
     
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    We’re not all that different from other animals when you consider how different they can be from each other. All of the human achievements you highlight are really a consequence of a single difference we have, the nature and extent of our intelligence. It’s obviously had some real significant consequences (at least from our point of view, though we’re biased :) ) but it’s still based on that single physiological difference. If you compare, say, blue whales, pigeons and black ants, you can find loads of differences that are fundamentally as significant even if the practical consequences haven’t (yet!) been as expansive.
     
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    No its not chance, its natural selection. Evolution runs with natural selection and mutations together, not just random mutations.
     
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    Sweeet.........
     
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    I do believe in natural selection. It is very obvious. Zebras came from horses. They can interbreed with each other. Starfish came from sea urchins, buffalo came cattle and they interbreed as well. Each one is within it's own kind. Natural selection does not deal with tadpoles becoming mankind. Evolution is still a theory. Until it is proven, it requires faith.......or as has been shown, the adding of an infinite # of years.
     
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    Natural selection doesn't add anything new because the only purpose for it is to remove bad mutations. Mutations are what evolve things. The problem is that they are random, some are good and some are bad, and most are neutral. Natural selection removes the bad ones so that the good mutations build up to evolve new things.
     
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    Only if one employs a metric which takes no account of uniquely human attributes.

    Intelligence does not motivate. That's why it's common among humans, whereas genius is not.
     
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    I watched a show about tests with an octupus. It was very good at solving problems - like unscrewing a jar, and remembered a solution.
    I think man's main advantage is communication - speech and writing - so advancements can be shared and built upon by others. That's why our advancement accelerates.
     
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    Those who argue in favor of evolution always err by starting with the more recent of the animals and compare those to humans.

    Fact is, the term evolution means to evolve. The first form of life was bacteria. So how can you explain to the lovely crowd here at the forum how bacteria changes to animals as well as fish and other forms of life?
     
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    They changed through natural selection and mutations. Natural selection selected good mutations and these build up over long periods of time leading to long-term improvement.
     
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    My cat lays around doing nothing while I work to earn money to feed it and then shows its appreciation by clawing at me. Doesn't sound that different than many humans these days.
     
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