I am a Vaxxer

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    What got my attention was all these videos of parents saying that their children were developing normally and right after getting vaccinated, they started showing symptoms of autism.

    VAXXED, NURSE TELLS ALL.
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...7CFEBE7B04810714FC1A7CFEBE7B0481&&FORM=VDRVRV

    Nurse Knows The Truth About Vaccines


    Vaxxed - From Cover-Up to Catastrophe (2016)
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/K7upxskYEU0e/

    Vaxxed II: The People's Truth (2019)
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/1RAAGIgNLeJU/

    There seem to be lots of serious scientific studies that conclude that the new vaccines can cause autism.

    Review Of Critical Vaccine Studies: 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized


    The media seem to be misrepresenting the anti-vaxers' position. They want vaccines that are safe as they were in the old system when vaccines were preserved with refrigeration. The modern vaccines contain preservatives that are causing the autism. They don't want to stop vaccinating as the media tells us. They want to go back to the old system.

    This video explains that.

    Controversy Over Vaccine Research


    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/387/364/b3a.jpeg


    This is a big issue in other countries.

    Protesting against mandatory vaccination all across Italy


    https://www.projectcensored.org/us-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-caused-autism/
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    US Media Blackout: Italian Courts Rule Vaccines Caused Autism
    April 1, 2015
    Like the U.S., Italy has a national vaccine injury compensation program, giving financial support to those people injured by vaccinations. On September 23, 2014, an Italian court in Milan awarded compensation to a previously healthy boy for vaccine-induced autism after receiving three doses of GlaxoSmithKline’s Infanrix Hexa, a hexavalent vaccine administered in the first year of life to protect children from polio, diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis B, pertussis and Haemophilus influenza type B. In addition to these antigens, however, the vaccine also contained thimerosal, the mercury-containing preservative, aluminum, an adjuvant, as well as other toxic ingredients. The child regressed into autism shortly after receiving the three doses.

    Based on expert medical testimony, the court concluded that the child more than likely suffered autism and brain damage because of the neurotoxic mercury and aluminum in the vaccine as well as his particular susceptibility from a genetic mutation. Presiding Judge Nicola Di Leo considered another piece of damning evidence, a 1271-pageconfidential GlaxoSmithKline report. This industry document provided ample evidence of adverse events from the vaccine, including five known cases of autism resulting from the vaccine’s administration during its clinical trials.

    Two years earlier, an Italian court found that a Measles-Mumps-Rubella vaccine (MMR) had caused autism in a 15-month-old boy. Taken together, the court found that both the MMR and the hexavalent thimerosal and aluminum-containing vaccine could trigger autism. These court decisions flatly contradict the decisions from the U.S. vaccine court based on similar claims. The Italian press has devoted considerable attention to this decision and its public health implications, while the U.S. press has been silent.
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    It's really hard to find something objective on YouTube now. Here are some good alternatives.

    https://altcensored.com/search?q=vaccines
    https://search.bitchute.com/renderer?query=Vaccines+Autism
    https://archive.org/search.php?query=vaccines autism
     
  2. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

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    Well, I guess its because her abortion will not cause harm or death to any other person on the planet. Her getting a serious infectious disease could.
     
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  3. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Here's one I forgot to post.

    If You Think Your Kid's Vaccines are Safe, DON'T Watch This!
     
  4. Collateral Damage

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    You do realize what kind of response you are going to get from your post?

    While I am pro-choice, I acknowledge what abortion is. Your post really ignores what it is.

    I am also pro-choice regarding vaccination, for the same reason I am pro-choice on abortion. I have no right to tell people what they can or cannot put into, or remove from their bodies. Vaccination is intended of protecting the person receiving it. If the vaccination does not protect a person receiving it, then the value of allowing a foreign substance into your body is greatly diminished.

    You need to pick a position, understand what it is, and be consistent.
     
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    Hmmm...I thought I was very clear. When an entire society is at risk, a mandated vax is for the greater good.
     
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  6. Scott

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    .....if there are no side effects such as autism.
     
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    You can have my ration.
     
  8. Collateral Damage

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    So you pick and choose when someone has bodily autonomy.

    The 'greater good' is a social construct used when someone believes a certain way, and demands others must abide. That doesn't make it fact.
     
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    If you would like to make 'rules' universal, then fine. I don't. Not for myself. And not for anyone else. Rigidity like that makes for a lot of confusion.
     
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    No, it actually makes for clarity. Picking and choosing where you apply a basis such as bodily autonomy, means you can change for no known reasoning on any subject, for any reason. Known by some, as a moral compass.
     
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    Okay - well consider me compass free, morally, then. I will not think that way, however. I know my mind - I know my moral compass quite well. I don't draw a comparison between vaccinations and abortions.
     
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    Anyone who buys confirmation anti-vaxx science can be sold the Brooklyn Bridge.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh yeah? Look at what happened to some of those poor young women who took Gardisil.

    All the drug trials did not catch it, because the condition was relatively rare.

    Some of these drugs are likely causing detrimental health impacts that are below the threshold detection level. Either because the obvious symptoms are so rare, or because the symptoms are not the type that can be immediately or obviously connected to the drug, or some combination between the two. Example, if it increased the rate of an already existing condition that occurs in the population, they most likely would not catch it. Like 3 persons out of 1000 instead of 2. Even though it could devastate someone's life.

    The general public is pretty naive and ignorant about how scientific medical studies actually work. Just because a trial "proves" a drug is safe, does not necessarily truly prove it is. There are many ways that problems can slip through the cracks.

    Here are some more examples:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ease-increased-by-250.555488/#post-1070541747
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/chronic-fatigue-welfare.223417/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-linked-to-50-increased-dementia-risk.557795/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-1971-leads-to-adhd-in-grandchildren.533294/

    It's not always so simple like you may think.
     
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  14. Scott

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    Anyone who belongs to the anti-vaxx brigade can be discharged for lack of understanding and sent home.
     
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    Didn’t read the whole thread so this may have already been posted, but I always liked this example.

     
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    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    To the tune of Locomotion: everyone is doing the vaxxination!

     
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  19. Scott

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    More info...

    https://vaccine-injury.info/about.cfm
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    "My daughter squealed like a rabbit, arching her back, for 20 hours straight after her DPT vax in 1989. She then slumped into an exhausted sleep for a further 20 hours. When she awoke she looked through us, not at us, didn't smile and had no facial expressions. Was like a shell of a human, with her humaness gone. She had lost her ability to crawl, to reach for items and today she is 28 years old, autistic, and unable to care for herself, function well as an adult - cannot cross a road on her own. DPT damaged her before Gardasil and MMR came along. Gardasil and MMR are WORSE... much worse..." -Peta Daimyo

    My son was NOT born with brain damage. He had eye contact and attention before the month, he was smiling by 1 month, babbling by 2-3 months, turning by 4 months, sitting and crawling by 6 months, standing by 8 months, walking by 11 months. Also by 11 months he was saying mama, papa, abu, bye, hi and other simple single words. He would look when he was called by his name, he would socialize and play with others. He would listen to music and dance. His development was going as it was expected for a child his age. By 12 months he receive many vaccines, I didn't want to do it; but I was ignorant and forced by the pediatrician he had back then. Immediately we noticed the side effects, one week in and out of the hospital, almost lost him. After that week he was not the same child, all the development: motor, speech, social, everything gone. It was like having an NB again but this NB couldn't tolerate any noise (didn't bother him before), stopped eating, allergies (he didn't had allergies before the vaccines), sensory problems (he didn't have them before), meltdowns (and not the expected meltdown for a 12 month child), gastro intestinal problems (again not before), and the list continue. Yet, no doctor wanted to take responsibility, no doctor wanted to say back then that he was injured by the vaccines.
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    Suzanne Fuhri wrote "5 years ago today I made the BIGGEST mistake of my life. I took My Son to have him poisoned (vaccinated). I didn't know that it would be the last time I seen him smile and didn't know he would DIE less than 2 days later. My heart hurts. Everyday. VACCINES INJURE & KILL. This is what you were like before they jabbed you with poison. RIP Baby Boy." Tommy 9/28/2012 - 12/1/2012
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    Christina Moore took her happy, healthy 8 month old son Trent to his well baby visit at Seymour Medical Center in Seymour, TN. He passed away in the night, less than 13 hours after his mother was bullied at the doctors office to give him 5 vaccines, even though she only felt comfortable with one at a time.
    Christina wrote "I argued with the nurse practitioner for 30-45 minutes. They would not split the shots up! They bullied me, told me I was retarded, told me he needed all the shots that day, told me they could not split the shots up, told me it absolutely would not hurt him! He was injected with 4 needles and given the Rotavirus oral vaccine. He died less than 13 hours later. I'm upset that I argued with them and they bullied me into something that I did not want in the first place and the same thing that I told them might happen, did happen!"

    She was not even given an apology when she went to pick up his medical records and saw the person who did this. A claim was filed with the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program but since the parents couldn't find an expert witness to prove Trent died from the vaccines, they settled their case for $20,000 before it went to trial. They had one of the best lawyers and still almost lost any chance at receiving any compensation. More than 2 out of 3 claims are denied and parents have to prove the vaccines harmed their child. That's what his life was worth to those responsible. Most never see a penny. Trent's younger sister he never got to meet is vaccine free. Trent is greatly loved and missed. They said he died of unknown reasons. Trent Michael Blackburn 4/29/12-12/21/12
     
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    Antivaxxism originated on the left, but now it's found primarily on the right. It complements their anti-government anti-sex anti-immigrant mindset.
     
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    You appear to be filled with false over generalizations. I'm very liberal. I support more immigration than your country now has (mine has more and I'm happy with it). I'm all for screening immigrants for disease.They should get treatment as well.
     
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    I am so far from being a vaxxer...got what I needed for 1st grade, no flu shots and and I'm a grand 84 and healthy. Do my own immune system as I've learned over the years......started aggressively over 30 yrs ago....
     
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    One of my Tetanus victims was 86 - he had been gardening. Another was 78 - cutting and trimming his roses one Was 60 - stood on an oyster shell, two we never did find the source and in one case at least we suspected it was from his gall bladder which apparently showed signs of a clostridium infection and there is evidence that Clostridium Tetanus can live in the gut
     
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    Of course - that should be routine
     

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