I am Israel

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  1. undertheradar

    undertheradar Newly Registered

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    AFAIK there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.
     
  2. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    It was over half a century ago.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not only do Israeli lobbies refuse to permit a real Congressional investigation of Israel's treacherous betrayal but America's pro Israel MSM refuses to publish the fact that today, June 8th, marks the 52nd anniversary of that same murderous stab in the back.


    "Don't Look For This Anniversary in MSM"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...is-anniversary-in-msm.557074/#post-1070650654
     
  4. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

    In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$23.9 million in 2018) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($24.4 million in 2018) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($18.2 million in 2018) as the final settlement for material damage to Liberty itself plus 13 years of interest.[8]
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what?
    The holocaust is older than that but not a day passes when we don't read something about that.

    Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty is relevant today because, like the Lavon Affair and other betrayals, it demonstrates the degrees to which Israel will go to deceive the US into fighting its wars.
     
  6. Pisa

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    Arafat was born in Cairo in 1929 (Christophe Boltanski and Jihan El-Tahri "Les sept vies de Yasser Arafat') . He served in the Egyptian army. He was jailed in Egypt for being a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer. We're back to Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood, then.

    Arafat wasn't very popular in the West Bank
    https://books.google.co.il/books?id... accent and ways and found them alien&f=false
    \(the author was an Arab refugee from Palestine)

    Interesting that you link to the Washington Post. Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi, the journalist killed at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, worked for the Washington Post. Guess what? He was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
     
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    The central claim of conspiracy theorists who claim Israel deliberately targeted USS Liberty in 1967 is that Israel attacked the ship of their American friend and ally. This is, of course, a brazen lie. The US didn't become a friend and ally of Israel until three years later, during the Black September in 1970, when Israel was the only country that agreed to help US' ally Jordan against the PLO and Syria.

    The above mentioned lie is usually the opening statement in every conspiracy theory about USS Liberty, which makes the rest of the claims totally irrelevant. How can one trust anything that begins with a lie?
     
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    Bear666 Banned

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    Was he born to Palestinian parents?
    If he had been born Jewish in any part of the world would he of been entitled to Israeli citizenship?
    Can you not see your own double standards?
     
  9. Bear666

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    Was the ship in international waters?
     
  10. Pisa

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    Since Arafat was an Egyptian citizen, his father must have been an Egyptian citizen too.

    I know Israeli Arabs whose grandfathers came to Palestine from Morocco, Egypt, Saudi Arabia. Are they Palestinians? Shouldn't Morocco, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, grant them citizenship as descendants of their citizens?

    Are descendants of Egyptian Jews expelled from Egypt in the 50s entitled to Egyptian citizenship? Are descendants of Jewish refugees from Iraq entitled to Iraqi citizenship?
     
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    Don't know, don't care.
     
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    Deflection noted. Shall we talk about the Lavon and perhaps you can explain who these Jews were expelled from Egypt and Iraq. The Jews in both those countries suffered because of Zionism creating Israel. It all goes back to that.
     
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    Of course not, Israel attacks who it wants, when it wants, where it wants.
     
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    Should Israel retaliate against its own Arab citizens for every terrorist attack against Jews worldwide? Should Argentina have dispossessed and expelled English Argentines during the Falklands war? Should Hindus persecute Indian Muslims following terrorist attacks from Pakistan?
     
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    Yeah, that's reality.
     
  16. Bear666

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    What when it is Israeli false flags attacking the Jews of Egypt?
    The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[2] The operation caused no casualties among the population, but cost the lives of four operatives: two cell members who committed suicide after being captured; and two operatives who were tried, convicted, and executed by the Egyptian authorities
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
     
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    Following this line of thought, both France and Belgium should dispossess and expel all Muslims, or at least all Arab Muslims, maybe even execute some for good measure, in the wake of terror attacks in those countries.

    Or are only Jews collectively guilty, and should only Jews be collectively punished, for the actions of some?
     
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    Please do not attempt to put words in my mouth, the above is your imagination and nothing I have said or hinted at.

    Here is collective punishment Israeli style, nothing to do with France or Belguim.
    Israel has used collective punishment against Palestinians since the military occupation began in 1967 through home demolitions and psychological and economic warfare against the families of alleged attackers – a violation of international law. While implemented across the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT), the Israeli authorities have intensified measures on the families and extended families of alleged attackers in East Jerusalem in particular, and especially since 2015.
    https://imemc.org/article/the-escalation-of-israeli-collective-punishment-of-palestinians/
     
  19. Pisa

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    You hinted that expulsion of Jews from Arab countries was justified by the Lavon affair, meaning that Jews are collectively guilty for the actions of some. There's no other way to understand your reply.

    Your source lies and deceives. The woman in the article wasn't transferred as punishment because her husband slaughtered worshipers in a synagogue.. She had the right to live in Israel only because she was married to a resident. Once the marriage was over, she lost that right, that's why she had to leave.
     
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    Again stop pretending that I hinted at anything.
    You have yet to show Jews were expelled by Iraq or Egypt and the fact that Israel bombed its own people in order to get them to leave tells us alot.
     
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    I suggest you read the article or show how it is not true rather than just try to discredit it by making baseless assertions.

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    +972 israeli soldiers conduct a search for Palestinian suspects of a drive-by shooting attack in the West Bank City of Ramallah, December 10, 2018. (Flash90)

    JVP CONDEMNS COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT OF PALESTINIANS
    17 DECEMBER 2018 PRESS RELEASE/STATement.

    Jewish Voice for Peace grieves the recent loss of Jewish and Palestinian life in the Occupied West Bank. Violence against civilians, no matter where they reside, is never acceptable.

    Rather than address the root causes of violence – occupation and military rule – the Israeli government has once again imposed collective punishment on the people of Ramallah and in villages and refugee camps throughout the West Bank. The entrance of the Israeli Army into the region, which included locking down entire communities, destroying homes, and terrorizing families, is a violation of the rights of every single person who lives there.

    Jewish Voice for Peace works towards freedom, equality and security for everyone in Palestine/Israel. The takeover of Ramallah and environs by the Israeli Army reminds us of the deep power imbalance between occupier and occupied. We know justice is impossible unless this imbalance is addressed.
    https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/collective-punishment-illegal/

    Perhaps you will call these Jews liars.
     
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  22. Pisa

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    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-to-deport-widow-of-synagogue-terrorist-1.5336139
     
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    Because it is clear that this was an accident.

    Israel relies on the US. Not the other way around.
    Israel can't survive without America's financial and military support.
     
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    Then why do we support them, when clearly they have no desire to support any of our interests?
     
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    For different reasons.

    Israeli history is similar to that of the US: European colonization and displacement of the indigenous population.

    Maybe some support for Israeli crimes comes from the Holocaust. Suffering of Jewish people is attempted to diminish by allowing their
    descendants to commit crimes themselves. This is surely wrong but human minds work so sometimes.
     

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