I am sick of recreational abortion! Keep my tax dollars away from mass murderers!

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Aquarius, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    then my point was still valid, if one can't support Abortion in the case of rape, then they support forcing rape victims to risk their lives having their rapists baby against their will
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    actually 26 weeks

    http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/
    "a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Even trying to understand gibberish is pointless IMO but it does provide an insight into the muddled emoting that motivates these bizarre threads and posts.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    WHAT TF does marital status have to do with a woman's right to get an abortion????




    :) LOL! Why can't YOU answer, YOU are the one arguing about it ..???
     
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  5. Aquarius

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    Why not kill the rapist or all men since the sight of a man could cause her to relive the rape...
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    is that gonna be your silly argument to force rape victims to have their rapists baby

    forcing her to have the rapists baby is like raping her again
     
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    No it isn’t lol... pregnancy is worse than rape... but saying that she has to abort a rapists baby because it could remind her of rape is like saying kill all men because men remind her of rape
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    forcing someone to have their rapists baby is as bad as rape.. yes

    no one is saying that, what they are saying is the rape victim does not want to risk her life to have the rapists baby and she should not be forced too
     
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    I'm not arguing about it. You are.

    I just told poster #111 that they were incorrect and provided them with a CDC link with the correct data and you got your panties all wadded up because I exposed poster #111.

    Stop arguing about it and accept my big beautiful correction I gave poster #111.
     
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    As a heart attack.
    There is of course no transcendent principle by which the convenience of a mother may be evenly balanced against the life of an unborn child...
    ...so of course it is. You're welcome.
    No, we know how it's transmitted in a human with a nervous system. That does not tell us pain is not felt by a zygote or embryo.
    lol
    Doesn't matter, because we can't.
    Experience suggests you're sure of a great many things which are devoid of any connection to reality.
    Feeling free to is one thing, being willing to spend time and energy doing it is another.
    If I drew you a map from your living room to your mailbox, there isn't a doubt in my mind you'd complain that I failed to provide instructions for opening the front door.
    Obviously not. You're welcome.
    There are none to be found in anything you've posted, whereas you've certainly provided an argument which justifies it.
    Of course it wasn't, but there's this thing called logical inference. Maybe you've heard of it.
    To anyone with a lick of sense who follows this conversation, there is nothing in the record that needs clearing up in that respect. You're welcome.
     
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    Reductio ad absurdum fallacy!
     
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    Uh, where did anyone say "" that she has to abort a rapists baby because it could remind her of rape" ?
     
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    Why not refrain from ridiculous hyperbole since the use of same discredits you with others........
     
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    And I proved you were confusing “marital status” with “stable partnership”

    International data
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    https://www.unitedfamilies.org/issues-and-answers/
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    o_O That's pretty far out there. It might actually make more sense to just outlaw any masturbation or ejaculation,
    and even then it wouldn't make any sense at all! o_O No contraceptives, no morning after pill, no anything...
    What exactly would be the reason for placing the abortion cutoff at 'lovemaking', or were you just pulling our legs? Lol! O_O

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Just because you don't agree with a principle doesn't mean that principle doesn't exist. :roll:

    If you're suggesting it might be possible for a zygote or embryo to feel pain somehow, it seems then that the burden of proof would fall upon you to prove as much. Otherwise anyone and everyone could make all manor of similarly spurious claims about what might be able to feel pain. One could even posit that sperm might feel pain for instance, and we'd then have to start jailing guys every time they masturbated (never-mind all the discarded sperm cells that results from even a successful impregnation). Heck, if I felt so inclined, I could even suggest that individual hair follicles might feel pain, and then boom! Suddenly its illegal to cut hair... Or maybe that inanimate balloon I just popped can feel pain! I mean why not! 'Prove me wrong!'...:no:

    This is why when it comes to laws at least, those laws need to be based on facts and evidence and not on random unproven hypotheses with absolutely nothing backing them up and in fact evidence to the contrary.

    Glad you found that humorous. Care to answer the question though?
    If it could more accurately be determined that pain perception or consciousness occurs only after a particular point, would you then be in support of a legal abortion cutoff being placed just before that point?

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    What's your opinion of the following proposal?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/pf-abortion-reform-compromise.550627/
    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    You know, you might actually learn something if you gave it a try,
    though its not as if anyone can force you to engage in the actual discussion...

    Sounds like a convenient excuse, an ad-hom even, to distract from the fact that you have no logical explanation or justification for your earlier claims. You're suggesting that a zygote is relevant to setting the abortion cutoff somehow, yet you can't explain why in any way which does not then act to encompass other cells which you yourself deem to be irrelevant to the discussion. This leads me to believe that your setting the cutoff at the zygote stage isn't really based on anything concrete but is instead a result of mere personal bias/emotions.

    -Meta
     
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    The quoted post is right there. Don't try to deny what you clearly posted. >_<
    I asked you if being en utero [sic] was part of your requirement, and you answered, "Of course it is,..."
    Being en utero [sic] naturally implies that the cell made it to the uterus.

    And as I said before, that raises several questions. What I have listed below isn't even all of them:

    1. Let's say we do get our artificial womb as you suggested. If we take an egg and we take some sperm and create a new zygote cell within that womb, does/should that cell then qualify for consideration as a "human being"? Should subsequent removal of that cell from the artificial womb then be prohibited?

    2. Let's say we don't quite get to an actual artificial womb, but we instead figure out some way to get humans to grow to maturity within basic test-tubes (i.e. literal test-tube babies). If we create a zygote cell in such a test-tube, can it be considered a "human being"? Is it OK to remove it from the test-tube? What if removing it from a test-tube is required at some point as part of the growing process?

    3. Let's say, contrary to the previous case, that the test-tubes aren't capable of fully growing humans, but can only grow a zygote up to the embryo stage, after which the embryo dies... can a zygote cell in such a test-tube still be considered a "human being"? Are we free to remove a zygote cell from these test-tubes? And what are the implications of creating such cells if they are all doomed to die?

    -Meta
     
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    How so?

    Of course. There are also things called logical fallacy and invalid inference. I suspect that yours is invalid.
    We can know for sure if you share the thought process and reasoning that lead you to your conclusion.
    So care to share?

    The same can be said of my statements of course, yet here we are. :roll:

    -Meta
     
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    Do you agree that there has been a move in recent decades away from “traditional” marriage? This is actually then reflecting back on the abortion rate

    Brookings institute has some insight into how the trend to cohabitation is affecting the decisions in relation to family

    upload_2020-1-16_15-3-35.png

    upload_2020-1-16_15-4-54.png

    Now one has to wonder given that an unintended pregnancy will dissolve a co-habiting partnership faster then what has been the role of the male?

    Always women are blamed for abortions but this research seems to point to a large or rather significant number of men unwilling to support thr children they are fathering

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/cohabiting-parents-differ-from-married-ones-in-three-big-ways/
     
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    Poster #111 made the ridiculous claim that about half of abortions are for married women.

    That is completely false.

    According to CDC data, only about 14% of abortions are for married women.

    Just accept that simple fact and get over it.
     
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    And the rest are either do habiting or in a stable relationship

    Points to MEN not taking responsibility no?
     
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    Tell me, why are so many newborns left in the care of the state when a woman leaves the hospital? Could it be because she is unwilling or unable to care for the newborn?? Imagine if abortions were prohibited by law, what the increase in newborns being left in the care of the state would be and the price tag associated with that as well. Just remember, there are consequences with decisions.
     
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