I Am the 1 Percent Used to Justify 100 Percent of Abortions

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    The unborn have the same rights to life as anybody else.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no one was ever born to be killed
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nope, ivf extras are just cells that should be tossed in the trash, no rights at all
     
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    And since any pregnancy can result in the death of the mother, she has the right to determine if her right to life is paramount.
    The day we can shove a fetus up your ass and you face the same possible complication that might end in your death, we'll say you have that right as well.
     
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    The constitution has never given fetuses rights. You and Ala are asking for a new right.

    It's a more interesting question as to whether a state ever had the power to regulate a woman's body to abort a "non-quick" fetus. The founders didn't find the question worthy of consideration, and abortions were utilized. But on the other hand, the BoR provides explicit limit on power, but Roe and Casey held the 14th prohibits blanket bans on the "non-quick."

    What's interesting is that it's not really arguable to say the Founders denied that states had the power to prevent miscegenation. But in both Loving and Obergefell, the SC did not find originalism a pervasive argument and the right to marry was an unenumerated right under the 14th

    Roe and Casey find a legitimate state interest in protecting fetuses that are near term, and Casey provided regulations even earlier, but women's rights to autonomy over their own bodies are also unenumerated rights under the 14th.

    Of course, Kennedy is gone and replaced by Kavanaugh, who pledged to not do what you ask.
     
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    The Constitution has never denied the unborn of their rights.
     
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    "if" is the key word.
    Why do you left-wingers resort to stupid analogies?
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Wow. How sick and pathetic for one to think of the unborn as just trash.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    :) Why hasn't it been overturned??


    Why hasn't there been a court case that reached the Supreme Court ? :)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Then it should be able to be taken out of the woman and grow on it's own.

    YOU said, """The unborn is NOT her body. It's another body with unique DNA."""

    If it's NOT HER BODY then WHY TF should she have to have it inside of her???

    If it's not hers

    WHOSE IS IT?

    If it has it's own bodily autonomy then it should be able to grow on it's own, it has no need to be inside the woman..




    Duh, obviously not....ever heard of surgery ?….many things are taken out of people and they don't die.
     
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    To YOU but OTHERS may not think abortion is immoral....and here's the important part: YOU do NOT get to dictate "morals" to the rest of the world :) :)
     
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    ivf extra's are just a petri dish of cells, nothing more, don't make them out to be more then they are....
     
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    Don't make them out to be LESS than they are.
     
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    Food and boarding are supplied to the woman. But you do not want her slain to please some person who refuses to handle the problem known as parenting.
     
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    they are cells in a petri dish, not human beings deserving of rights... most people get this

    if someone clones 1000 Hitlers and they are all in Petri dishes, I would have no issues throwing them in the trash.. how about you?
     
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    You're a bunch of cells. Don't make yourself out to be more than you are.
     
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    if someone clones 1000 Hitlers and they are all in Petri dishes, I would have no issues throwing them in the trash.. how about you?

    I was born, how about you?
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Science (biology) tells us that the Human life cycle begins at conception and ends with natural death.
     
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    yes, science tells us life begins with a egg and a sperm too, but just like the ingredients to make a cake may be there, it's not a cake until it's baked...

    the truth is, you can die before your body dies and your not alive at conception, you vessel is beginning to be created at conception, consciousness comes much latter
     
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    Ya, so what? LAW tells us a person is NOT a legal person until birth.
     
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    When does science tell us that the State takes ownership of a woman's uterus?
     
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    NOPE, they never had any....
     
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    What right? Tell me the const provision or SC case establishing the right of a fetus.
     
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    When are you going to end the meaningless insults and address posts # 459, 460, 461?

    Or are you trying to distract from the fact you have no way to refute them??
     
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    Please take note:

    For the Anti-Choicers who insist that the fetus floats unattached to the woman it's in and birth is merely a change in location:




    Changes in the newborn at birth


    Changes in the newborn at birth refer to the changes an infant's body undergoes to adapt to life outside the womb.

    Information

    LUNGS, HEART, AND BLOOD VESSELS

    The mother's placenta helps the baby "breathe" while it is growing in the womb. Oxygen and carbon dioxide flow through the blood in the placenta. Most of it goes to the heart and flows through the baby's body.

    At birth, the baby's lungs are filled with fluid. They are not inflated. The baby takes the first breath within about 10 seconds after delivery. This breath sounds like a gasp, as the newborn's central nervous system reacts to the sudden change in temperature and environment.

    Once the baby takes the first breath, a number of changes occur in the infant's lungs and circulatory system:

    • Increased oxygen in the lungs causes a decrease in blood flow resistance to the lungs.
    • Blood flow resistance of the baby's blood vessels also increases.
    • Fluid drains or is absorbed from the respiratory system.
    • The lungs inflate and begin working on their own, moving oxygen into the bloodstream and removing carbon dioxide by breathing out (exhalation).
    BODY TEMPERATURE

    A developing baby produces about twice as much heat as an adult. A small amount of heat is removed through the developing baby's skin, the amniotic fluid, and the uterine wall.

    After delivery, the newborn begins to lose heat. Receptors on the baby's skin send messages to the brain that the baby's body is cold. The baby's body creates heat by burning stores of brown fat, a type of fat found only in fetuses and newborns. Newborns are rarely seen to shiver.

    LIVER

    In the baby, the liver acts as a storage site for sugar (glycogen) and iron. When the baby is born, the liver has various functions:

    • It produces substances that help the blood to clot.
    • It begins breaking down waste products such as excess red blood cells.
    • It produces a protein that helps break down bilirubin. If the baby's body does not properly break down bilirubin, it can lead to newborn jaundice.
    GASTROINTESTINAL TRACT

    A baby's gastrointestinal system doesn't fully function until after birth.

    In late pregnancy, the baby produces a tarry green or black waste substance called meconium. Meconium is the medical term for the newborn infant's first stools. Meconium is composed of amniotic fluid, mucus, lanugo (the fine hair that covers the baby's body), bile, and cells that have been shed from the skin and intestinal tract. In some cases, the baby passes stools (meconium) while still inside the uterus.

    URINARY SYSTEM

    The developing baby's kidneys begin producing urine by 9 to 12 weeks into the pregnancy. After birth, the newborn will usually urinate within the first 24 hours of life. The kidneys become able to maintain the body's fluid and electrolyte balance.

    The rate at which blood filters through the kidneys (glomerular filtration rate) increases sharply after birth and in the first 2 weeks of life. Still, it takes some time for the kidneys to get up to speed. Newborns have less ability to remove excess salt (sodium) or to concentrate or dilute the urine compared to adults. This ability improves over time.

    IMMUNE SYSTEM

    The immune system begins to develop in the baby, and continues to mature through the child's first few years of life. The womb is a relatively sterile environment. But as soon as the baby is born, they are exposed to a variety of bacteria and other potential disease-causing substances. Although newborn infants are more vulnerable to infection, their immune system can respond to infectious organisms.

    Newborns do carry some antibodies from their mother, which provide protection against infection. Breastfeeding also helps improve a newborn's immunity.

    SKIN

    Newborn skin will vary depending on the length of the pregnancy. Premature infants have thin, transparent skin. The skin of a full-term infant is thicker.

    Characteristics of newborn skin:

    • A fine hair called lanugo might cover the newborn's skin, especially in preterm babies. The hair should disappear within the first few weeks of the baby's life.
    • A thick, waxy substance called vernix may cover the skin. This substance protects the baby while floating in amniotic fluid in the womb. Vernix should wash off during the baby's first bath.
    • The skin might be cracking, peeling, or blotchy, but this should improve over time.
     

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