I came to understand that the stakes of the confrontation are far higher than those of trade alone.

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  1. FinalPhilosopher

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    Every American Should Hope Trump Prevails Against China

    Working on economic policy at the White House, I came to understand that the stakes of the confrontation are far higher than those of trade alone.

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    The trade dispute, though, is now about much more than economics—it’s testing whether a democratically elected government can prevail in the face of the authoritarian government of the world’s most populous country. And everyone who values democracy or human rights should hope that, one way or another, the United States ultimately prevails in that struggle.

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    READ THIS DEFINING ARTICLE:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/china-vs-democracy/596248/
     
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    It is about time some one beside me figured that out...
     
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    The US will never prevail against China as long as it lets itself be distracted by petty culture wars and irrelevant security issues.
    It's easier to rag on Muslims and Mexicans and than to accept the hard choices that 'prevailing against China' entails.
    Our two greatest challenges in the coming years will be the emergence of China as a superpower and climate change, not terrorists and bigots, whether left or right, Christian or Muslim. They are gnats in the bigger picture, but too many people seem enthralled with the notion that they are an existential threat and suck eagerly at the teat of any fake news that tells them so.
    The Chinese are not benevolent and don't really believe in individual freedom and human rights. I hope that we can prevail with our way of life but our excesses are hurting us. Too many in the west suffer from affluenza or a sense of entitlement.
    We should welcome the people who think we in the west are worth risking everything, including death, to come here.
    Nobody on the planet is fleeing to places like China and Russia, so we have a built-in advantage over those cultures if we don't lose sight of where our true strengths come from- freedom, diversity and pride in our highest ideals.
    That's how we prevail.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...I think that trump has already appropriated the title of the chosen one.
     
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    Chosen has nothing to do with it, examining the facts does. Sad that so many on the left can't see the forest for the trees.
     
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    Too bad that the BLOTUS is an illiterate moron!

    If he had read any Sun Tzu he would never have embarked on his INSANE "Trade War" that is effectively bringing the American economy to it's knees and causing SERIOUS HARM to We the People.

    For starters Clueless-in-Chief doesn't even understand the "weapons" that he is using and how they are being turned against him. China can easily absorb anything that he throws at them while We the People are in no position to withstand a prolonged "trade war".

    Then we come to the so called "deal" that he allegedly wants with China. He has NOTHING to offer them and that is why they are not interested in any deal. He should have used the THREAT of a trade war instead of prematurely ejacu,,,er, engaging in one.

    Furthermore when getting into any conflict Rule #1 is always to KNOW YOUR ENEMY! The Imbecile-in-Chief doesn't even know the words to the Star Spangled Banner. China always plays the LONG GAME. They don't care about the short term because their ultimate goal is to bring our nation to it's knees so that they can become the world's only superpower. In this regard the BLOTUS is their pawn by offering himself up as the Useless-Idiot-in-Chief. They can easily push his buttons because he always REACTS to EVERYTHING.

    So we already know that there is no way for us to win this ill conceived and mismanaged "trade war" as long as the Fool-in-Chief remains in the Oval office.

    If the OP wants America to win then he needs to back the Dems in 2020 so that the damage to our nation is limited to only the next 18 months and an ADULT can take over and put things back to normal again.
     
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    It's too bad, and it's sad, that the media, Congress, and the American citizens don't all get behind Trump in his quest to obtain a fair trade deal with China. We need to stick together against a foreign country. Trump is not asking for an advantage, he wants fair trade, but because the former politicians gave China a large advantage they don't want to give that up.
     
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    That was your own REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS who gave China that advantage!

    And they could just as easily pass legislation taking it away again and your BLOTUS would sign it.

    So WHY are your own GOP representatives NOT getting behind your BLOTUS?

    Why isn't MOSCOW MITCH supporting your BLOTUS?

    Is it because they care more about doing what is best for their Wall Street Casino Bosses than they do about what is best for America?
     
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    The president is not democratically elected..
     
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    Mark Levin said it best. “We’re not in a trade war with China. We’re in a Cold War with China.”
     
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    Wrong!

    We are in a STUPID self inflicted war that is costing us way more than it is worth!

    But that only seems to happen whenever we have some GOP lackwit infesting the Oval office.
     
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    That's just dumb.

    Jimmy Carter granted China full diplomatic recognization in 1980 and Bill Clinton signed the current trade deal that is so effed up.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Those 2 assclowns did all the damage and created the mess Trump is trying to clean up.
     
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    WRONG!

    It was the GOP Contract ON America that caused the current problem and a great deal of that legislation was signed by Redink Ronnie, Bush sr and Bush jr in addition to Clinton.
     
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    Clinton gave them the technology to put an ICBM anywhere on Earth and a satellite in orbit. China steals any technology that isn’t nailed down. From IPhones to Cadillac’s to fighter jets. Denying we’re in a cold war doesn’t make it any less so. Just look at Hong Kong, NK, and Taiwan. Artificial military islands. Claims of increased control over open seas.
     
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    The fact that Trump has taken on the unpopular cause of fair trade to help the USA says a lot about the politicians before him and also says a lot about Trump. We should support Trump in this cause. Even if we have to bite the bullet.
     
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    Oh please name one Democrat ever tried to put an end to the unilateral surrendering of the American middle class to chinese aggression.
     
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    This is an economic war, which Trump is mishandling.
     
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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ch...rkets-tank-and-currency-hits-11-year-flatline

    Oh wow, winning....
     
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    China realizes that they are dealing with a crazy person according to your own link.

    In essence China is now being the ADULT in the room and will give your BLOTUS a "time out" until he calms down.

    Don't hold your breath waiting for this to be the end either. Your BLOTUS wrecked the prior talks with his twitter tantrums so this is NOT a "surrender" by the Chinese. Odds are they will present a deal that ends up being EVEN WORSE for America than what existed before but your BLOTUS will PRETEND that he made a "great deal" and his gullible supporters will believe him.
     
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    Most of this discussion is failing in one major respect. It makes less difference how we got here than what we can do now that we are here. We should be trying to change the way we trade with China. It makes little difference whether the problems were caused by democrats or republicans. China has the upper hand because we are not united in our efforts. to do anything about it and they will continue to keep that upper hand as long as we continue the way we are going.
     
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    A.K.A . WINNING. Im sure you scoff at the thought of America winning .
     
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    But nice childish name calling . So mature.
     
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    The invasion of illegals and attacks by Islamic Extremists weaken America.
     
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    Every American Should Hope Trump Prevails Against China

    Of course. The trade war is not about trade. Chinese imports are only 2.7% of the U.S. economy. The war is about China's behavior.
     
  25. Lil Mike

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    Oh is there a new Democratic policy in dealing with China? The previous one was to kiss their ass and give them everything, so if there has been a change in policy I would love to hear about it.
     

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