I challenge Unifier to debate the morality of abortion

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  1. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    I challenge Unifier to debate the ethics of abortion. I honestly do not expect a response, but if a lifer wants to take his place, I am more than happy to accommodate them.

    My position, which will be laid out more extensively in the future once someone excepts the challenge, is simply - that ethically/morally/in line with the most seemingly valid notion of right and wrong, I contend that only the interests of beings that are sentient and cognitive matter and as such, since fetuses do not have any mind to possess desires/interests, they may be killed at any point in pregnancy.

    Any lifer up to the challenge of defeating me? Unifier, you may pick the moderator, I dont mind. That goes for anyone else who wishes to challenge me. As long as we do not engage in ad hominem and stay on topic, it should be productive.
     
  2. Unifier

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    Let me give this some thought. I'm actually flattered that you would issue a specific challenge to me personally. But the fact that I had to click "View Post" in order to read your challenge is the problem. It was your inability to concede points and admit when you are wrong that ultimately got you labeled a troll and put on my ignore list in the first place. And while I suppose a moderator here would determine winner and loser (I assume that's how this works?), I still have to wonder how productive it would be to lay out rational argument after rational argument only to have them repeatedly filtered out by my opponent's mental and emotional comfort system.
     
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  3. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    I can't recall ever being labelled a troll or not conceding a point I was roundly beaten on but with a moderator close at hand we can ensure that doesn't happen regardless.

    Well I don't feel your remarks are at all accurate, quite the reverse. I'm happy for you to pick the moderator if that will ease your fears.
     
  4. SpaceCricket79

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    Fetuses do posses cognition, so your premise is flawed
     
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    Not in first several months. But I think MegadethFan speaks not about simple sentience, but more advanced mental processes ("desires/interests"). Foetuses may not possess those. However, that means neither newborn babies do, so he should be also fine with infanticide.
     
  6. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Please provide evidence for that assertion
     
  7. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    You're completely correct. Theoretically infanticide is fine, but practically I would oppose it as signs of sufficient cognitive abilities are evident shirty after birth (a well or two later) and so allowing infanticide generally seems too risky in my opinion.
     
  8. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    By shirty I meant shortly*
     
  9. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    They have the same cognitive desires that animals do during the fetal stage (ex. a desire for food/sustenance), so you'd have to advocate ending all animal cruelty laws in order to be consistent
     
  10. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Indeed animals should be given far more rights than they are currently given. A fetus, importantly, has no desire to be alive and has no comprehension if its existence as an independent entity. The only significant capacity it has and only late on is the ability to feel pain but that can be addressed.
     
  11. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    So Unifier going to debate me or not?
     
  12. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If he does.....perhaps a few ground rules for the ONE ON ONE DEBATES.

    1) Input from any member other than the two designated is to be completely ignored, and will be denoted with a simply reply which is (.....................)
    2) Any insulting or derogatory post by either participant is an immediate loss of the debate.
    3) At post # 100 the debate will be ended, and a voting thread created to allow the membership to decide on a winner.

    I will monitor and try to guide the process as much as I can, but will not interfere with the actual debate.
     
  13. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good. Well I await Unifier's decision
     
  14. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It seems Unifier is not interested.....might I recommend you pick a new partner?
     
  15. LivingNDixie

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    I was really wanting this to happen. Too bad Unifer doesn't have the courage to take up this challenge. Guess he knows he would get whooped.
     
  16. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is pretty much what he expressed to me in PM, though more in the realm of being ganged up on.

    ....pity, it would have been pretty awesome to see.
     
  17. sec

    sec Well-Known Member

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    uh huh,

    what you are asking is for a debate over opinions. What would be accomplished because on the topic of abortion, most folks are pretty much set on their opinion (until they become parents themselves or had to bury a child)
     
  18. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every debate, conversation, disagreement, discussion, or worthwhile interaction on this forum involves some level of personal opinion....period. What I just typed is simply opinion, what you typed is equally subjective. If you are stating that this one on one debate system is invalid based on the "Opinion" aspect....it is likely you do not quite grasp the intent and concept.
     
  19. LivingNDixie

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    Not if an admin give mod functions to the moderator of the debate. That person could delete any posts not from Unifer and Magadefan.
     
  20. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have already mentioned this to the powers that be...we must make this happen ourselves.
     
  21. yguy

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    So you're gonna make Unifier debate this...um, paragon of perspicacity?
     
  22. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am unsure how you gathered that interpretation of this conversation....perhaps if you review what has been said it may clarify for you.
     
  23. johnmayo

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    Let's keep this fair, I will be judge.
     
  24. MegadethFan

    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Well if unifier ever wants to prove his case ill be here
     
  25. Unifier

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    Lol! You don't get an official label. There's not a PF label gun that prints up "troll" and sticks it on your chest. I just labeled you a troll based on your posting history. See, we're running into problems already. :roflol:


    And that is precisely the problem. It's not that you don't think they are accurate. It's that you don't feel they are accurate. Because the entire pro-abortion argument (can I say pro-abortion again? I got a post edited for that once) is defined by feelings and not reason.

    Which actually raises a solid question. If I were to accept this challenge, would I be free to use whatever language was necessary to prove my point? Or would the mods edit my posts to soften my language? That was a big reason why I left the board for the last two months. The speech codes were getting ridiculous. I'm not going to waste my time in a debate where sensitivity is more important than truth. That's dumb.



    Would you care to remind me of what I supposedly sent you? I've got the initial message you sent me with a link to this page in my inbox, but there is no response from me in my sent box.
     

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