I just emailed my religious vaccination exemption request to the U.S Department of State. Thoughts?

Good point. At the top of the list for co morbidities is obesity which is itself the segue to a great many medical maladies. Yet it goes unaddressed.

 

"Make their own decisions"?? ...--about the vaccine?? Most anti-vaxers falsely, ignorantly believe it's about them, .... THEIR rights; THEIR freedoms; THEIR choices. NEWS FLASH: it's not! It's about stopping the spread!

 

If you're fortunate enough to be a world traveler and go wherever you want in this world you will probably be amazed at the mandatory shots you'll be required to take. If our country goes to war and you're unfortunate enough to be drafted (I know you wouldn't enlist) into the military you're really in for a surprise. Grow up and get over it.

 

Off-topic deflection.

 

If that were necessary to save more lives than my own and end a pandemic, I for one would accept it.

Incidentally, we were all given few options of what to eat and were forced to exercise in gym class in school (barring some kind of exemption on a case-by-case basis). And then there's this:

Each state decides which vaccines are required for your child’s enrollment and attendance at a childcare facility or school in that state.

Vaccination requirements and allowable exemptions may vary by state and public health officials may update and change requirements regularly.

Required Vaccines for Child Care and School | CDC​

And, as previously mentioned in this thread:

In our globalized, modern, and mobile world, over 1 million people travel internationally each day. In many countries, vaccine preventable diseases are still common even though they have been eradicated from North America. Without vaccines, epidemics of many preventable diseases will return, resulting in increased illness and deaths and a lower quality of life.

Vaccination before travel is imperative to ensure global public health and to help individuals stay healthy during and after their travels. As such, Passport Health is committed to ensuring maximum immunization coverage in all populations from children, to members of the workforce, to the elderly, to international travelers via our nationwide clinic network.

Travel Vaccinations for Your Trip | Passport Health (passporthealthusa.com)​

People need to grow up and do the responsible thing already. Haven't enough people died of this virus yet? How many more will it take?

 

So you're in favor of mandates. Good.

Sure!
https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/

Then there are those required for military service. When the draft was law vaccinations were mandated for everyone drafted. So arguing against mandates it DOA.

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Covid is primarily a preventable lifestyle disease. It’s even a lifestyle disease in the vaccinated.
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Sure. You could live off-grid and provide everything for yourself with no human contact. If you prefer or opt for that lifestyle, you might not be able to contract COVID, but don't get any mail, either.

 

...because it's relevant. All that was asked for was a "yes" or a "no".

 

To the OP - I would recommend vax - but to each their own.

Aside from that - I know in the UK where I live I found 2 religious groups that cannot have Vax. The Amish and the Christian Scientists.

I'm actually a member of the C.S. now - not for belief but for my distrust and maybe my worries when the vaccination first came about.

But I left it a while, did my research - and since I travel a lot I got mine done with no troubles.

 

I can only speak for myself as well, but in my case I had already had covid. Now I did (reluctantly) get the shots but were they worth taking time out of my day to go get the jabs (x2) and then suffering through fever and body aches (x2) for a few days? I'm not so sure. In fact, a cogent argument could be made that the vaccine was not even necessary at all for me.

 

A lot people believe that the choice to put a novel medication into their bodies IS THEIR choice. News flash: IT IS!!!

 

And that list of vaccinations has decades of data and millions of lifetimes of results!! FFS, you can't be that obtuse to not see the other side of this argument.

 

But it isn’t. If it was about stopping the spread we would not ignore other available ways to stop the spread.

 

No it isn’t. What people eat snd how much they exercise affects spread of and death from Covid as much as vaccination.

 

So why aren’t you advocating for it and complaining about the people who gained 30 lbs during the pandemic instead of complaining about the unvaccinated? Or at least complaining about both?

Geez. What kind of school did you attend?

How is that relevant? I’ve already addressed school vaccination.

As I said, I’m all for vaccination. I’ve been one of the biggest proponents of Covid vaccines. But I’m opposed to mandating them.

What right thing? Lose weight? Reverse their type 2 diabetes? Fix their lifestyle induced hypertension? Exercise? Stop killing their livers with alcohol?

You can’t let people kill others by their lifestyle health choices but mandate one vaccine.

 

Sikhs have had exemption from crash helmet laws here for many years because of their Turbans.

 

Which religion is that? Not even Jehovas are against vaccines.

I suppose you can argue that you believe in eternal life, and can't wait to see Jesus in heaven.

 

@Kode,

Post #56 from you was a formatting mess so I’m not going to try and repair it. Not a problem, I’ve done the same.

There are many reasons for vaccine hesitancy. Previous vaccine injury is one. It’s real. Mistrust of the scientific/medical community is another. And it’s real—based on actual lies that have been told throughout this pandemic. There are also legitimate religious reasons. I’m in agreement that most of those who claim religious exemption aren’t legitimate but that doesn’t mean legitimate cases exist.

Also, the objection based on insufficient testing is not invalid. We have been giving influenza vaccinations for decades and are just now learning how repeated annual vaccinations severely reduce efficacy of the influenza vaccines in subsequent years—especially in the aged who need protection the most. To be clear we have no evidence this will be the case with Covid vaccines. I’m just pointing out we DO NOT know all the long term consequences of vaccination.

When I said this:
“Most people don’t like my particulars because they are based on evidence and logic. Almost always, when people don’t like my particulars their opinion is based on a lack of knowledge, incorrect knowledge, or denial of evidence. I’m getting used to it. ”

…I was talking about people like you. You will never be told things like annual influenza vaccination decreases the efficacy over time. So you mock people who are actually knowledgeable of immunology by saying things like the hesitancy based on lack of testing is illegitimate. Your comments are made in ignorance of relevant information. It’s not your fault you aren’t told these things but you shouldn’t denigrate the knowledge of others who inform themselves.

On mandates I was very clear. Businesses have the freedom to mandate what they please. The government ought not to because doing so is illogical and unfair because they won’t mandate other mitigations that are as effective as vaccination. In fact they are WITHHOLDING a passive vaccine from the immunocompromised that is more effective than current vaccines while attempting to mandate a vaccine to the immunocompromised that doesn’t even work well for them. Again, your lack of knowledge about this means your posts lack a foundation in reality. You are operating with a very narrow spectrum of information deemed appropriate for you to have.

I like your link. I didn’t realize you were in kindergarten or grade school. . I clearly addressed the difference between children and adults but assumed wrongly only adults would be reading my post.

I have never addressed military mandates. When you join the military you relinquish rights other retain. I would prefer the military didn’t mandate this vaccine but agree they certainly can and have precedent.

When I say Covid is a lifestyle disease I mean it in the context of diet and exercise primarily. Has nothing to do with living off grid. When 90% of Covid deaths are in countries with over half the population being overweight or obese, Covid is clearly a lifestyle disease. Even in the vaccinated!

 

You made it about YOU by stating what you were doing/believing - IN THE OP!!

And, the point is that I don't believe you ignore all science based medicine.

Thus, you seem to be suggesting that your God hates vaccines for COVID specifically.

And, that your god is OK with other western medecine - vaccines such as polio, flu, measles, rabies, etc., and that your god is ok with other medications people take for blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, pain (such as for operations), etc.

So, are you absolutely opposed to vaccines for rabies? Polio?

Or, does your god give you an exemption on that vaccine specifically?

Or, does your god hate government and thus directs you to oppose whatever government says? (Unlike what the Bible directs.)

 

People in the service get all sorts of shots.

 

So if you are convinced about the efficacy AND SAFETY of one vaccine you must agree to take them all?

 

Exactly. All freedoms are limited for the benefit of society as a whole. That's what laws are all about.

It's selfish and childish for people to start screaming about freedom when faced with a vaccine mandate intended to save many lives, just as it would be for them to cry freedom when told they need a license to operate a motor vehicle on a public roadway. Most don't even seem to have an issue with vaccinations for traveling outside of the US or for kids to attend schools. It's all for the public good, including their personal good, even if they don't realize it or don't want to accept it. Then they fall back to the old slippery slope argument, insisting that if this can be mandated, Communism is right around the corner or some such. It's not a sound argument, but they'll use it anyway just to dig their heels in and be contrarian.

 

How do you determine which situations are extreme enough to justify taking away freedumbs?

 

Your error is in seeking a religious exemption for the cause of reason, which are two different things. By religion, I think they mean an organized religion with articles of faith to which a vaccine might be at odds. I am agreeable with your reasoning though unto itself. This is all new ground, and your efforts may prevail.

 

That was NOT the issue.

The point I addressed was the "religious exemption" claim.

I'm curious how one would determine which parts of science based medicine god hates and which parts god is OK with.

If someone claims a religious exemption, then it seems that one very logical requirement would be that they NEVER take ANY medications.

NOBODY is required to "take them all". Requirements for medication are limited to a small number of cases where the individual can cause harm the community by refusing.

 

Yes. People still don’t believe me when I tell them being obese increases your risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated. It seems crazy to me people aren’t being told how to prevent infection.

Agree on the problem of obesity leading to other serious health problems besides Covid. We are eating ourselves to death and harming others along the way.